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Fred2670
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| slowmutant wrote: |
No, it's not the same thing and you know it.
We are not discussing the Catholic Church in this thread.
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Its the same thing. Christians are christians and sexual abuse is sexual abuse. If anything the cathlolic sexual abuse cases are worse due not only to their homosexual nature, but the fact that they are much more widespread. What a handfull of renegade Mormon sects do to increase their congregation through acts of procreation will never constitute the pandemic debauchery of the perverted catholic priesthood
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The_Cinephile
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They may not ALL be polygamists, but they're definitely all racists if they truly believe the book of Mormon.
They believe that Native Americans were actually Jews that did bad things, so God turned their skin dark.
Plus, black people are supposed to be the descendants of Lucifer, Jesus' brother.
It's pretty obvious that Joseph Smith pulled all that stuff out of his rectum.
OK, so he used the magic spectacles to read the gold plates that an angel showed him.
He was "told" never to let anyone see these plates...
So nobody saw them...
He read them out loud, and some guy took it all down.
He brought them home to his wife, who thought it looked suspicious.
She hid them, and told him to ask Smith to read the tablets again.
Next time he saw Smith, he told him that God was angry because he wasn't supposed to let someone read the book.
As a result, the angel took the gift of sight from him.
The guy's wife gave the manuscript back, and the book of Mormon was born.
NOW, can you honestly say that you believe that the book of Mormon wasn't founded on lies and racism?
If you can, there's something wrong.
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Legato
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Haha, I don't like Mormonism for many reasons including the ones you have articulated there. In fact I don't like most all monotheistic religion on Earth for the same reasons - whacked fairy tales and ridiculous dogma, the lot of them.
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Escuerd
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| Legato wrote: | You do make a good point. Where I was coming from is the fact that the LDS church is the one Joseph Smith formed, and when the polygamists were excommunicated at the command of the church president, they were just like "screw you" and formed the FLDS church. So really, the LDS church is descended from the same, whereas the FLDS church broke off and formed their own.
Kind of like a royal bloodline I suppose. When a prince disowns his royal family to go join another faction for example, he is considered no longer a part of the royal bloodline, even though he technically has royal blood. Then that prince has children and mingles with this other blood, while the true bloodline stays strong. That's how Mormons see themselves anyway I think. |
Interesting. I can see your point if indeed the FLDS were excommunicated before deciding to schism (rather than the other way around). Nonetheless, I still reject the notion that one church can be labeled "the original" simply because I don't believe in ideal Platonic forms of a religion any more than I believe in such forms of a language or a species. Germans and Amish people speak differently, but neither can say more than the other which one is speaking "real German" because both languages have evolved since they diverged.
I suppose if "the church" is taken only to be defined by its leadership rather than simply its beliefs, then LDS has a stronger claim to being "the original" than FLDS. If it's defined by similarity of its beliefs to that at the time of Joseph Smith, I'm not sure which it would be (I can bet what each one of them would say). And if its defined by where it's beliefs come from, I think they have about the same level of legitimacy in claiming to be founded by Joseph Smith. |
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slowmutant
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| Legato wrote: | | Haha, I don't like Mormonism for many reasons including the ones you have articulated there. In fact I don't like most all monotheistic religion on Earth for the same reasons - whacked fairy tales and ridiculous dogma, the lot of them. |
You're not very open-minded, are you?
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skafather84
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Legato wrote: | | Haha, I don't like Mormonism for many reasons including the ones you have articulated there. In fact I don't like most all monotheistic religion on Earth for the same reasons - whacked fairy tales and ridiculous dogma, the lot of them. |
You're not very open-minded, are you?
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i think it takes more open-mindedness to reject the idea of monotheism in a world and within society where such a thing is the norm and you face various levels of persecution for it. |
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Legato
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | You're not very open-minded, are you?
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On the contrary my man, my dislike of monotheism (like what 3 religions?) came of years of soul-searching and philosophical openness. If I were to articulate my current philosophical beliefs, you'd see I'm quite open-minded.
I've just rejected the religion I was brought into, and those that go alongside it (christianity, judaism, islam).
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slowmutant
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Why have you rejected those religions?
What are your current philosophical beliefs? |
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Legato
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | Why have you rejected those religions?
What are your current philosophical beliefs? |
This thread isn't about me, it's about Mormons 
I'll PM you the details.
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