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pezar
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 Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: Are NTs afraid of aspies? |
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Sometimes I wonder if NTs aren't on some level profoundly afraid of autistics, especially aspies, which is why they're so intent on getting rid of us. Imagine for a moment that 1 in 150 children were suddenly being born with brains that work profoundly differently from what the human race has become accustomed to over 100,000 years of evolution. Also, imagine that these kids LOOKED normal, but had capabilities in some areas that exceeded what average people could do. Wouldn't you think that every single government on the planet would be trying to find an excuse to wipe out this possible threat to their power? The most extreme cases of dysfunction would be highlighted on every TV set in the world. It would be called an "epidemic disease" in need of a "cure". The groundwork would be laid for the great cull.
Well, this is what Aspergers must look like to NTs. It must look like X Men come true, before their eyes. Anybody who's a X Men aficionado knows that in the movies the non-mutant people try to put ever greater restrictions on the mutants and eventually propose to cure them, at which point it's them or us. The mutants find themselves in a war for their very existence. Having observed the result on an alternate history board when somebody proposed what if X Men really happened, I think that NTs would be profoundly scared of any mutation or seeming mutation in humans. They would try to eliminate it, permanently. They would try and "cure" the mutants. Failing that, it would be oven time.
NTs have the capability to wipe out a whole class of people in very methodical fashion. Hitler did it with the Gypsies (Rom)-they disappeared in Europe as a result of the Final Solution. About three fourths of Europe's Jews were wiped out, which is why Israelis are so fierce in defending their homeland. It's been theorized that the Cro-Magnons won out over the Neanderthals because the Cro-Magnons deliberately wiped out the Neanderthals. In Namibia in 1905, the German colonizers wiped out a whole tribe that dared to rise up against them, being so bloodthirsty that the last few begged to die.
In America, numerous Indian tribes were wiped out for daring to fight whites, from the Pequot in 1637 to the Bannock in the 1860s. The Hunkpapa Lakota had to escape into Canada to avoid the same fate. If not for Sarah Winnemucca's pleas, the Paiute of Nevada would have gone down with the Bannock. In Peru the Incas were smashed when they fought back against the Spanish. A brother of the deposed Inca king hid out at a fort called Vilcabamba and tried to hold off the whites, but failed. If push came to shove, would humanity unite to wipe out aspies? |
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Orwell
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't really met very many people who seem to fear me. Well, sometimes the dumber ones are slightly put-off by my memorization skills, but they don't actually fear me.
Conspiracy theories can be fun to speculate on, but I'm not interested in an Aspie on NT war. We would lose that one.
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That's what I've been thinking for the past few years. I think they are afraid of what we can do, just like the normal humans were afraid of the mutants from X-Men (and while none of us can control weather or sprout titanium claws from our hands, we have certain qualities that make us extremely resistant to corruption, which means the government would have a harder time controlling us.) For now I think they are hoping that bad publicity will ruin us. It's only a matter of time before they attempt a mass conversion; or worse, genocide.
But when push comes to shove, they may outnumber us, but we are smarter than they are, for the most part. If they unite against us, we must unite right back. Just like in Star Wars and Code Geass, we'll form a rebellion the likes of which have never been seen.
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Orwell
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Roxas_XIII wrote: | That's what I've been thinking for the past few years. I think they are afraid of what we can do, just like the normal humans were afraid of the mutants from X-Men (and while none of us can control weather or sprout titanium claws from our hands, we have certain qualities that make us extremely resistant to corruption, which means the government would have a harder time controlling us.) For now I think they are hoping that bad publicity will ruin us. It's only a matter of time before they attempt a mass conversion; or worse, genocide.
But when push comes to shove, they may outnumber us, but we are smarter than they are, for the most part. If they unite against us, we must unite right back. Just like in Star Wars and Code Geass, we'll form a rebellion the likes of which have never been seen. |
Uh huhh. I'll say right now I'm not fit for military service, so there's one less foot soldier for your Aspie Liberation Army. I doubt there is a government-sponsored campaign to demonize Aspies through bad publicity, especially considering most people have never heard of Asperger's. Those who have don't usually have extremely negative opinions of it either.
Also: statistically speaking, Aspies are somewhat more intelligent, on average, than NTs. But considering the relative quantities of each, for every smart Aspie there are a couple NTs as smart or even smarter.
I didn't catch your Star Wars allusion, I must not be keeping up with sci-fi as well as I should.
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| Orwell wrote: | | I didn't catch your Star Wars allusion, I must not be keeping up with sci-fi as well as I should. |
*ahem* the word "rebellion"... does this not conjure up images of X-wings and giant spherical palnet-killing space stations???
But that's ok, not everyone's a complete nerd about that crap as I am...
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| Roxas_XIII wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | I didn't catch your Star Wars allusion, I must not be keeping up with sci-fi as well as I should. |
*ahem* the word "rebellion"... does this not conjure up images of X-wings and giant spherical palnet-killing space stations???
But that's ok, not everyone's a complete nerd about that crap as I am... |
Code Geass? Or was that a separate allusion?
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| Roxas_XIII wrote: | That's what I've been thinking for the past few years. I think they are afraid of what we can do, just like the normal humans were afraid of the mutants from X-Men (and while none of us can control weather or sprout titanium claws from our hands, we have certain qualities that make us extremely resistant to corruption, which means the government would have a harder time controlling us.) For now I think they are hoping that bad publicity will ruin us. It's only a matter of time before they attempt a mass conversion; or worse, genocide.
But when push comes to shove, they may outnumber us, but we are smarter than they are, for the most part. If they unite against us, we must unite right back. Just like in Star Wars and Code Geass, we'll form a rebellion the likes of which have never been seen. |
I'm really not sure we could win. Human wave attacks have been used by everybody from Muslims to Chinese-overwhelm and swamp your enemy with your superior numbers. Stalin had to do this when it really looked like the Nazis would beat him-he literally drafted everybody, even kids, and gave them guns and threw them at the Nazis hoping something would stick. Russia won, but at horrifying cost-battle casualties for the Soviets are estimated at 8 million, but that's only commissioned soldiers. The real casualty figure is probably in the mid eight digits.
More recently, rebel armies in El Salvador and West Africa have forcibly recruited children as young as 10, brainwashed them, then wound them up and sent them to kill. There's a movie about kids during El Salvador's civil war and the ways they avoided successive waves of government and rebel forces trying to kidnap them. In one scene, they cling to the roofs while the govt troops tear apart the houses looking for them. There's a memoir about being a child soldier in Sierra Leone. If it really looked as if the aspies would win, the NTs would literally throw everything they had into the fight. They would win, but there might not be much of an earth left for them to inhabit, especially if we got our hands on some nukes.  |
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Roxas_XIII wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | I didn't catch your Star Wars allusion, I must not be keeping up with sci-fi as well as I should. |
*ahem* the word "rebellion"... does this not conjure up images of X-wings and giant spherical palnet-killing space stations???
But that's ok, not everyone's a complete nerd about that crap as I am... |
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I think they are just focusing on the worst part of autism. Kids like Simon from Murcery Rising for example. I can't imagine living my life like that. No communication, no voice.
I don't understand why LFA's would want to live like that, especially with the struggle of self help skills. I dunno if Simon be considered HFA or LFA. I just found out not all HFA's can talk. Labpet is an example. But she seems to be living a normal life so no need for a cure for her unless she wants to get rid of her mutness.
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: |
Uh huhh. I'll say right now I'm not fit for military service, so there's one less foot soldier for your Aspie Liberation Army. I doubt there is a government-sponsored campaign to demonize Aspies through bad publicity, especially considering most people have never heard of Asperger's. Those who have don't usually have extremely negative opinions of it either.
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Grandiose ideas about the grandiosity of Aspies and the Nazi-like evil of NTs. You flatter yourselves, people. You have to get over this, paranoid delusions of grandeur. Puffed-up self love thinking, melodramatizing. NTs are probably not scared of Aspies. I am not scared of Aspies.
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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My NT friends aren't scared of me.
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know anyone who is afraid of me.
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Speckles
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I know people who are scared of me, but not due to my Asperger's.
Putting aside the relative silliness of comparing aspies to X-men, and the silliness of X-men period, the idea of us uniting against the dreaded NT persecution wouldn't work very well. That essentially would put me against most of my family, to whom I feel greater allegence to then other people who just happen to share similar brain chemistry with me.
In addition, I do not feel particularly oppressed, and thus would have to see some evidence of injustice before I would join such a movement at all.
I also have several relatives who clearly are suffering with autism; while I am relatively happy with myself, and would not wish a cure, would it be wrong for me to support them if they wished to?
Finally, because I have been exposed to more severe autism, I am hesitant to have kids, because I fear that they may be crippled by their genetics. So technically I am a Eugenic to begin with.
Really, given the supposed superiority of the Autisic Race, we should already be in control. Autism has probably been around since the beginning of the human race, it hasn't just suddenly happened. Since this hasn't happened, there obviously must be something about the NTs that makes them more fit evolutionarily.
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| lets hope they are |
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