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MissPickwickian
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | So, if countries are nations or states, and a nation is a relatively large group of people organized under a single, independent government, or a people who share common customs, origins, history and frequently language. Then, what if I got my hypothetical family together, we started a temporary secession from the US, organized under a single government, never committed any genocides and dissolved ourselves the next day. Would we then have succeeded as a nation/country without a day of mass-murder? Just curious as I want to find a way to easily prove the song wrong. |
Oops. I just didn't want to use the word 'nation' twice in the same stanza.
A one-day country would succeed in not having a genocide to its name. It would be a lot of trouble, though. 
Note to everyone: MissPickwickian's songs are never meant to be taken entirely seriously.
MissPicky wrote a song.
It's not exactly wrong,
but she likely conceived it
in under a minute.
so don't go and try to refute,
she likely just wants to be cute.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| MissPickwickian wrote: |
Oops. I just didn't want to use the word 'nation' twice in the same stanza.
A one-day country would succeed in not having a genocide to its name. It would be a lot of trouble, though. |
YES!! So it IS possible! Woot!
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Note to everyone: MissPickwickian's songs are never meant to be taken entirely seriously.
MissPicky wrote a song.
It's not exactly wrong,
but she likely conceived it
in under a minute.
so don't go and try to refute,
she likely just wants to be cute. |
Well, if you think about it, arguing whether or not I can start a small secession is not my most serious argument. Besides, what do you mean by not exactly wrong. That it makes/implies a number of truth claims and that claims correct(tc) > 0? Or do you set a higher standard for your 1 minute conceptions? Really though Miss, I don't think anyone would deny the cuteness of your songs or the cleverness required either, I just like overanalysis of things that really should not be overanalyzed. |
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MissPickwickian
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | YES!! So it IS possible! Woot! |
You win this round... 
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| MissPickwickian wrote: |
You win this round... |
Yep, so now on to the next!! |
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codarac
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: | here's a controversial side that i really haven't seen much support for but maybe there would be someone who has more information on this take?
the zionists assisted in rounding up jews in german occupied territories.
anyone hear anything like that? i've heard it before but i've yet to see any really solid fact on it. |
Perhaps you know this already, but the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to get Jews sent from Germany to Palestine. I thought this was just internet kookery when I first read it, but it’s a well acknowledged piece of history – just not the sort of thing they dwell on in school history classes, probably.
See the wikipedia article on the Havara Agreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
The Nazi-Zionist Collaboration is also discussed in The Transfer Agreement by Edwin Black and 51 Documents by Lenni Brenner (both writers are Jewish).
There is a book called “The Holocaust Victims Accuse: Documents and Testimony on Jewish War Criminals” written by Rabbi Moshe Shonfeld in 1977 in which he claims that when Jews were trying to leave Nazi-occupied Europe, Zionists worked to keep the doors shut to them in every country apart from Palestine.
You can download a pdf of the book from http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
(direct link to pdf here )
The site also contains an article called “The Jews of Iraq” by an Iraqi Jew, Naeim Giladi, claiming that Zionists faked anti-Semitic incidents in Arab countries to get Jews to move to Palestine. He writes more about this in his book “Ben-Gurion’s Scandals”.
Another interesting aspect of WW2 is that the Nazis knowingly employed up to about 150,000 “part-Jews” in their army. The Jewish writer Bryan Mark Rigg recently wrote a book about it called “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers”. See here. |
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peebo
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aye, apparently this is true. shocking to say the least. i remember reading a few extracts from 51 documents a few years ago.
and there is also the stern gang, a zionist faction based in what was then palestine, who proposed in 1941 entering into world war 2 on the side of the nazis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
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Fnord
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| Averick wrote: | | Anne Frank though was killed by the Nazi's. |
Actually, it has not been clearly identified if it was a nazi that turned the gas valve or a jewish collaborator.
I am not saying that it was another Jew that killed Anne Frank, but that there is insufficient evidence to unequivocally state that it was not.
But if it was, I'm sure that it was done under duress.
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MissPickwickian
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If you may allow me a completely random moment of self-congratulation, I shall point out that this is the longest thread I've ever started.
This is why I'm hot, yo.
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codarac
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Fnord wrote: | | Averick wrote: | | Anne Frank though was killed by the Nazi's. |
Actually, it has not been clearly identified if it was a nazi that turned the gas valve or a jewish collaborator.
I am not saying that it was another Jew that killed Anne Frank, but that there is insufficient evidence to unequivocally state that it was not.
But if it was, I'm sure that it was done under duress. |
Actually, according to the official story (see wikipedia for instance):
1. Anne Frank died of typhus in Bergen-Belsen
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2. Bergen-Belsen contained no homicidal gas chambers |
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codarac
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| Orwell wrote: | | codarac wrote: |
I think I have some responses to make on your other points. But sometimes I think it's best to take one point at a time. And you haven't answered my question - you've just thrown it back at me. You'd make a good politician!
You called Japan a racist country.
Do you think Israel is a racist country?
A "no comment" will do. |
Oh, now THAT'S a good insult. To [attempt to] answer your question, I don't know if I can as easily come to a judgment on Israel. I kind of think that, because of the pressures of living in a hostile region, the Israeli state has been forced, for reasons of self-preservation, to develop in directions that might be contrary to the intents of its founders. (ie militarism) If Israel could be considered racist (I don't really know enough about how they treat foreigners to say if they are or not) it's probably more justified than in Japan, because in Israel they are surrounded by people who want them dead. Japan's racism is more based on an ancestral belief that the Japanese race is superior. |
Let’s clarify some things.
You live in the United States, a country built on ethnic conquest and the ethnic cleansing of Indian tribes, and with a history of enslaving blacks. Now, though, the United States is a “liberal democracy”, they like to export their supposedly superior values to other countries by invading them. And in the name of “anti-racism”, whites in the US are deliberately discriminated against in the job market and in university admissions, while universities lecture students the unique evil of white people in the name of “white privelege” courses and “diversity training”.
I presume the American establishment doesn't much like to see successful countries that don't do things the American way. But ask yourself what it is about Japan that offends you so much. Is it so bad for them to want to just be left alone to exist and survive in their small corner of the world? What has that got to do with “superiority”?
Try to understand what it would mean for an ethnic group to lose its homeland to alien peoples. The end is pretty much the same whether the means are armed invasion or peaceful population transfer. |
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Nambo
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You didnt have Typus on your list?
Odd, as thats what she died from
"She died of Typhus in March, 1945 in the Bergen-Belsen Concentration Camp when she was 15. She was born in 1929 and spent over two years in a secret annex hiding from the Nazis."
Typus was a huge problem in the camps hence the Nazis great use of the insecticide Zyklon B for delousing the prisoners clothing and bedding.
The fact she was in the camps though was a result of the Nazis, but if you step even further back, do a bit of research, and you will find out who funded the Nazis and why, from there you will get the real answer as to who killed Anne Frank. |
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Orwell
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| codarac wrote: | Let’s clarify some things.
You live in the United States, a country built on ethnic conquest and the ethnic cleansing of Indian tribes, and with a history of enslaving blacks. |
True. I would say we've mostly moved past that phase by now, but we do have some very ugly parts to our history.
| codarac wrote: | | And in the name of “anti-racism”, whites in the US are deliberately discriminated against in the job market and in university admissions, while universities lecture students the unique evil of white people in the name of “white privelege” courses and “diversity training”. |
Don't even get me started on affirmative action. I know a kid who got into three universities that rejected me even though he had lower test scores, class rank, everything else. I'm kinda pissed about that. Plus I have friends who got scholarship money for being minorities. Which is a load of bull, since they come from wealthier families than I do.
| codarac wrote: | | But ask yourself what it is about Japan that offends you so much. Is it so bad for them to want to just be left alone to exist and survive in their small corner of the world? What has that got to do with “superiority”? |
I have a friend who is a great fan of Japanese culture, and wishes to move there to teach English. She will never be afforded full citizenship rights if she does so. Japan has no problem taking advantage of America's accepting "melting pot" attitude, so why don't they respond in kind? Just the fact that they are unwilling to accept new people into their society simply because of their ethnicity is disturbing to me.
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MissPickwickian
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DAMN YOU rickettsia prowazekii! DAMN YOU, You microscopic war criminal you!
But seriously, can we put typhus on trial? Are we going to take it to Tel Aviv for public execution by penicillin? Is it possible to bring justice against naturally occurring evil? If so, I am SO SUING chickenpox for pain and suffering.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| MissPickwickian wrote: |
But seriously, can we put typhus on trial? Are we going to take it to Tel Aviv for public execution by penicillin? Is it possible to bring justice against naturally occurring evil? If so, I am SO SUING chickenpox for pain and suffering. |
With nukes, all things are possible. |
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| Quote: | | Who killed Anne Frank? |
Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon... you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices, and I tell you, people do that all the time.
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