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iamnotaparakeet
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| JerryHatake wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | This isn't about freedom of religion or freedom of speech. It is about people attacking others for thinking a certain way. I'd like the attacks to stop, or to be moved to PPR. |
I agree but the Alex and mods decide that idea in the end. |
That is obvious.
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | I think you all need to learn how to read. |
Telling me that is like telling a fish to breathe water.
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iamnotaparakeet
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Quatermass wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | I think you all need to learn how to read. |
Telling me that is like telling a fish to breathe water. |
Which they don't, the gills are rather passive; anyway, prove it: what do you think I said? Your previous post of:
| Quote: | | iamnotaparakeet, I hate people who push their religion on others, as well as their viewpoint, vis-a-vis that religion. So I wouldn't go casting the first stone, if I were you. I certainly wouldn't, myself. |
Seemed to show either your lack of comprehension or your unwillingness to comprehend.
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iamnotaparakeet
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Let me recapitulate: Anti-religion trolls shouldn't go unpunished. They take over threads, they harass, bully, ridicule, et cetera. This should only happen in PPR, so that members who don't want to deal with them don't have to. If religious topics are currently relegated to PPR, so should anti-religious topics. There should be equal and fair treatment of ALL parties.
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Quatermass wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | I think you all need to learn how to read. |
Telling me that is like telling a fish to breathe water. |
Which they don't, the gills are rather passive; anyway, prove it: what do you think I said? Your previous post of:
| Quote: | | iamnotaparakeet, I hate people who push their religion on others, as well as their viewpoint, vis-a-vis that religion. So I wouldn't go casting the first stone, if I were you. I certainly wouldn't, myself. |
Seemed to show either your lack of comprehension or your unwillingness to comprehend. |
I think you were whingeing about being attacked by atheists, and probably with good reason. However, you yourself are certainly not innocent of the same sin. I know that I am not.
And I have been reading since the age of 6. I know how to read. And I tend to read more books in a week than most read in a lifetime. I am leaving you out of that latter group unless I find out better.
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iamnotaparakeet
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I'm saying that it is a general phenomena that the anti-religious are overlooked and can post their anti-religious topics anywhere, but the religious must be relegated to PPR. That is wrong.
Do Christians have freedom to post Christian topics outside of PPR?
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Can I raise a suggestion in good faith without being shot at?
In the spirit of live and let live perhaps there should be an additional separate forum specifically for religious believers? A place where they can explore their religions amongst themselves without us atheists attacking them? I'm a pseudo atheist myself and entertain a reasonable discussion about science vs religion etc and that sort of discussion could still continue on PPR. I'm just suggesting the religious people could have a sort of religious refuge - a virtual church so to speak, where they can talk amongst themselves in peace?
We atheists would not go into a church and harass the believers, but if the believers want to discuss their faiths with none believers then that should be in a different place.
Just my two pennyworth.
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There is another category, those atheists who aren't rude, but who must object to superstition. Like me and Dawkins and Hitchens, we do not like people objecting to scientific findings without any evidence. We don't like the intrusion of religion into secular government or public schools.
What would a non-fundamentalist atheist be? Would he be someone who believed only somewhat that there are no supernatural entities in the universe - perhaps that there is only part of a god (a divine foot, say, or buttock)? Or that gods exist only some of the time - say, Wednesdays and Saturdays? (That would not be so strange: for many unthinking quasi-theists, a god exists only on Sundays.) Or might it be that a non-fundamentalist atheist is one who does not mind that other people hold profoundly false and primitive beliefs about the universe, on the basis of which they have spent centuries mass-murdering other people who do not hold exactly the same false and primitive beliefs as themselves - and still do?
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iamnotaparakeet
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| TallyMan wrote: | Can I raise a suggestion in good faith without being shot at?
In the spirit of live and let live perhaps there should be an additional separate forum specifically for religious believers? A place where they can explore their religions amongst themselves without us atheists attacking them? I'm a pseudo atheist myself and entertain a reasonable discussion about science vs religion etc and that sort of discussion could still continue on PPR. I'm just suggesting the religious people could have a sort of religious refuge - a virtual church so to speak, where they can talk amongst themselves in peace?
We atheists would not go into a church and harass the believers, but if the believers want to discuss their faiths with none believers then that should be in a different place.
Just my two pennyworth.
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It would be nice to have a free-of-ad-hominems/free-of-arguing-over-the-existence-of-God-for-the-billionth-time type of forum. But then, how many militant atheists would still wander over?
It's not the nice ones like you that are the problem, but the ones who have a mission to never stop pestering and trolling. It's one thing not to accept Christ for yourself. That's your right if you choose to do so. But the ones on a crusade to rid the world of all religion, they're the problem.
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| AspE wrote: | There is another category, those atheists who aren't rude, but who must object to superstition. Like me and Dawkins and Hitchens, we do not like people objecting to scientific findings without any evidence. We don't like the intrusion of religion into secular government or public schools.
What would a non-fundamentalist atheist be? Would he be someone who believed only somewhat that there are no supernatural entities in the universe - perhaps that there is only part of a god (a divine foot, say, or buttock)? Or that gods exist only some of the time - say, Wednesdays and Saturdays? (That would not be so strange: for many unthinking quasi-theists, a god exists only on Sundays.) Or might it be that a non-fundamentalist atheist is one who does not mind that other people hold profoundly false and primitive beliefs about the universe, on the basis of which they have spent centuries mass-murdering other people who do not hold exactly the same false and primitive beliefs as themselves - and still do?
http://www.acgrayling.com/atheist/atheist1.html |
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| I would never intrude on someone's ability to have Jesus as a role model. I happen to admire much of his teachings myself. But if you make pronouncements about physical phenomenon, those can and should be questioned. The universe was not created in 6 days, the Sun does not revolve around the Earth. All species did evolve from simpler ancestors. Religion is not the origin of morality. Prayer does not work. |
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| it seem that this thread is threatening to become another atheist-believer free-for-all. |
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| darkstone100 wrote: | | it seem that this thread is threatening to become another atheist-believer free-for-all. |
Threatening? We're up to the stage where the concrete is being poured around the feet.
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| Quatermass wrote: | | darkstone100 wrote: | | it seem that this thread is threatening to become another atheist-believer free-for-all. |
Threatening? We're up to the stage where the concrete is being poured around the feet. |
And what should I do when people start or continue thought-policing? Report it?
What would be done? NOTHING.
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