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MissConstrue
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| jawbrodt wrote: | | LePetitPrince wrote: | from another thread:
| Quote: | ^^ the other way around won't be in your favor in you are an omega/beta male , letting girls to approach first will lead to the same natural selection rules that are already applied.
Let's face the truth guys , we are under the mercy of the girls' choice , this is a basic nature and there's no way to change it unless inf your want to change your society into an arrangedmarriage-based society or to a retard masculine dominated society like the fanatic Islamic societies and treat women as a furniture.
As long that you live in a free society where dating is free then you'll still be under the mercy of serial monogamy rules==> the mercy of women's choice.
In serial monogamy system , guys ask out girls , the girl keeps rejecting guys till she is asked by the most 'suitable' guy.
So serial monogamy rules are very similar to the natural polygamy rules (not the islamic polygamy!): Females are the main players of the natural selection --> females are the ones who pick the males that most "fit" them (most fit them = that can provide best genes and security).
Nagging, whining , and revolutions will solve nothing ......if you are naturally an omega/beta guy then the best thing you can do is improving yourself , by improving yourself you became a better competitor and you increase somehow your chances to get a girl.
For a better help ,note that there are basically FOUR types of Alpha males in the current human society:
-The Knight (Strength): These are basically the pure natural alphas , the men with high level of Testosterone , the strong, tall , determinant , confident , masculine and handsome men. If you are not already one of those , it will be almost impossible to become one. A strong sport man who can achieve big wins can becomes a King/Knight (ie: the best footballers).This type of alpha might fade with age or can transform to the King type
-The King (Wealth/Social Power): The Kings are the successful men who can turn their success into great wealth and social power, this type of Alpha requires also some basic natural alpha traits found in the Knight-type like confidence and determination (ie.CEOs, great businessmen...etc) ...good physical traits might help too , it also requires mainly traits such as leadership, common sense, courage and good social skills. It is not impossible for Aspies to be one of those but keep in mind that without good-developed natural skills such as social skills and leadership that won't be easy at all.
-The Magician (High Intelligence): Naturally,this is the least attractive Alpha type to most females but they are alphas nonetheless and can attract 10% of females at least. The Magicians are the men who can achieve great things using their high intelligence ,education , great knowledge or great wisdom , the requirement for this type is one : High IQ/Intelligence or at least 1 useful savant skill(rare cases). The Magician doesn't need to be physically strong, confident or leader or any of that sort ....he just needs to be very smart in his field he works in. A Magician who can turns his achievements to success and wealth can becomes a Magician-King (ie. Bill Gates). Aspies with high intelligence should choose this path to Alphahood but if you don't naturally have a very high IQ (above 130)/intelligence or at least 1 useful savant skill this would be almost impossible.
(Even a physically handicapped very genius man such as Steven hawking can be considered as a Magician alpha because his natural high intelligence compensates all the other bad genes ..but of course this case is very very exceptional.)
- The Bard (Talent/Fame): The Bards are the people who get fame through their high talents ie: good singers, cool hardrockers,Hollywood actors, good musicians, excellent painters...
The Bards are the MOST attractive Alpha-type to females nowadays , they can harvest thousands of females' hearts.
Since fame brings wealth and since fame requires sometimes attractive looks then Bards are usually in combo forms mostly as Bard/King or sometimes in Bard/King/Knight , Bard/King/Magician exist but are rare cases (ie. like the savant pianist kids that can even compete adult pianists....will be Bard/King/Magician when they become adults).
Aspie can becomes a bard ....but of course he needs to have great talents.
There are the same types of alphas among females ....but here we are talking about competition between males which is much rougher than the competition between females (competition between females is caused by the artificial monogamous marriage system). |
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I guess that would put me at, 55% magician/45% knight. I can deal with that.  |
Really? That makes you I guess the the second to the highest alpha I think....  
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jawbrodt
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^ I will proudly accept that rank. Who is ahead of me?
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pakled
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Mistress Yoda? first with a verb she with her sentences would always end...
Any time I think of 'alpha male', I think of non-human mammals... |
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LePetitPrince
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| Hector wrote: | Reading things like "it is hard wired in their brains" and "they're competing over us" pretty much put me off the article (because they are disrespectful and clearly not true in general), though it's true that you have more chances to make new friends or perhaps more if you leave your own comfort zone. Almost truism in fact, but an idea that many of us I'm sure would feel comfortable ignoring (with AS or without)
Anyway, beyond that I can hardly comment, because relationships have to a large extent just passed me by to date |
Why disrespectful?? and in fact they are very true, you are just naive. |
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Mystic
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | | Hector wrote: | Reading things like "it is hard wired in their brains" and "they're competing over us" pretty much put me off the article (because they are disrespectful and clearly not true in general), though it's true that you have more chances to make new friends or perhaps more if you leave your own comfort zone. Almost truism in fact, but an idea that many of us I'm sure would feel comfortable ignoring (with AS or without)
Anyway, beyond that I can hardly comment, because relationships have to a large extent just passed me by to date |
Why disrespectful?? and in fact they are very true, you are just naive. |
Is it disrespectful to say eating "is hardwired in their brains?" Yes people can ignore the urge to eat, and some do (Muslims during Ramadan, some Christians during Lent, etc.), but most of us don't ignore the urge to eat. It is the same with attraction. If girls did not have some things "hardwired in their brains" then how in the world would we as a species have survived? Before a girl had sex, how would she know she would enjoy it? And with the logical society we live in now, would she (if our/their brain did not hijack us all sometimes) ever try, knowing that with it might come 9 months of "a parasite" (as House puts it) using their resources?
I am not saying what I said is exactly the same (obviously eating and mating are two different things), but I think it would be hard to find someone who didn't want to do either (if given a chance with the opposite sex which didn't have any diseases, kept insisting they wanted it, and kept insisting they found you to be the god among mortals in every way that matters to them).
By being the alpha male, you are basically doing this with the girl. David De Angelo has said that the alpha traits are attractive to guys as well (a girl had asked if it would work on guys. He said yes).
On a side note: I always take the stance that I'm paying people a compliment by showing interest in them. They might not realize it as one, but it doesn't matter, I'm not going to not do something because someone might not take it the way I intend it to be taken. If they didn't want someone to approach them, they should stay home, especially if they can't see how much it takes some people to even say "hi" to them. They ruin it for everyone else of their sex.
I also take the stance that the girl's in whatever situation suits me best. If I see a woman at a bar (I live in a town of 30,000. I haven't gone many times, but I've been legal for 2 months), I assume they are just out with their friends for fun (even if a guy is there). If they reject me, then I assume they have a jealous boyfriend (who might be the one right next to them) or are just having a girl's night out. After I've been talking/dancing with them for a while, then I'd ask how they know each other (if there was a guy there), and if they said they were together, then at least I've learned a little bit more about what to talk about (or how to hold myself), and will just keep that in mind as I continue talking for a little bit (just turning away immediately seems rude). If not, then I just need to keep doing what I was doing and maybe she'll be interested in me back.
Since I'm in a small town and haven't gone out much, my results haven't gotten me in any trouble, and I wouldn't expect them to in a larger town. Up to you to decide though. I'm not going to try to change your life. You are the only one that can do that. |
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The_Chosen_One
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| F-16 wrote: | | Skimmed through that "Cocky-Funny" and "IOI" stuff, seems overwhelming. Is it? |
Sounds more like acting like a dickhead and Wtf is "IOI"?
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Lonermutant
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| MissConstrue wrote: | | LePetitPrince wrote: | from another thread:
| Quote: | ^^ the other way around won't be in your favor in you are an omega/beta male , letting girls to approach first will lead to the same natural selection rules that are already applied.
Let's face the truth guys , we are under the mercy of the girls' choice , this is a basic nature and there's no way to change it unless inf your want to change your society into an arrangedmarriage-based society or to a retard masculine dominated society like the fanatic Islamic societies and treat women as a furniture.
As long that you live in a free society where dating is free then you'll still be under the mercy of serial monogamy rules==> the mercy of women's choice.
In serial monogamy system , guys ask out girls , the girl keeps rejecting guys till she is asked by the most 'suitable' guy.
So serial monogamy rules are very similar to the natural polygamy rules (not the islamic polygamy!): Females are the main players of the natural selection --> females are the ones who pick the males that most "fit" them (most fit them = that can provide best genes and security).
Nagging, whining , and revolutions will solve nothing ......if you are naturally an omega/beta guy then the best thing you can do is improving yourself , by improving yourself you became a better competitor and you increase somehow your chances to get a girl.
For a better help ,note that there are basically FOUR types of Alpha males in the current human society:
-The Knight (Strength): These are basically the pure natural alphas , the men with high level of Testosterone , the strong, tall , determinant , confident , masculine and handsome men. If you are not already one of those , it will be almost impossible to become one. A strong sport man who can achieve big wins can becomes a King/Knight (ie: the best footballers).This type of alpha might fade with age or can transform to the King type
-The King (Wealth/Social Power): The Kings are the successful men who can turn their success into great wealth and social power, this type of Alpha requires also some basic natural alpha traits found in the Knight-type like confidence and determination (ie.CEOs, great businessmen...etc) ...good physical traits might help too , it also requires mainly traits such as leadership, common sense, courage and good social skills. It is not impossible for Aspies to be one of those but keep in mind that without good-developed natural skills such as social skills and leadership that won't be easy at all.
-The Magician (High Intelligence): Naturally,this is the least attractive Alpha type to most females but they are alphas nonetheless and can attract 10% of females at least. The Magicians are the men who can achieve great things using their high intelligence ,education , great knowledge or great wisdom , the requirement for this type is one : High IQ/Intelligence or at least 1 useful savant skill(rare cases). The Magician doesn't need to be physically strong, confident or leader or any of that sort ....he just needs to be very smart in his field he works in. A Magician who can turns his achievements to success and wealth can becomes a Magician-King (ie. Bill Gates). Aspies with high intelligence should choose this path to Alphahood but if you don't naturally have a very high IQ (above 130)/intelligence or at least 1 useful savant skill this would be almost impossible.
(Even a physically handicapped very genius man such as Steven hawking can be considered as a Magician alpha because his natural high intelligence compensates all the other bad genes ..but of course this case is very very exceptional.)
- The Bard (Talent/Fame): The Bards are the people who get fame through their high talents ie: good singers, cool hardrockers,Hollywood actors, good musicians, excellent painters...
The Bards are the MOST attractive Alpha-type to females nowadays , they can harvest thousands of females' hearts.
Since fame brings wealth and since fame requires sometimes attractive looks then Bards are usually in combo forms mostly as Bard/King or sometimes in Bard/King/Knight , Bard/King/Magician exist but are rare cases (ie. like the savant pianist kids that can even compete adult pianists....will be Bard/King/Magician when they become adults).
Aspie can becomes a bard ....but of course he needs to have great talents.
There are the same types of alphas among females ....but here we are talking about competition between males which is much rougher than the competition between females (competition between females is caused by the artificial monogamous marriage system). |
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Oh I see what this is about. In that case, I think I'd go either for the Magician or the Bard. Don't find the big and buff all that attractive. |
You forgot one midieval metaphor: The village moron. The one that the average Aspie male is. |
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ManErg
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You forgot one midieval metaphor: The village moron. The one that the average Aspie male is.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree. Makes you wonder quite where they're coming from?
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The_Chosen_One
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What about the middle ages Varlet archetype?
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LePetitPrince
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| ManErg wrote: |
You forgot one midieval metaphor: The village moron. The one that the average Aspie male is. |
Yeah, I agree. Makes you wonder quite where they're coming from?[/quote]
maybe mutation or external factor like vaccines? |
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galahol
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I was put off by the alpha male stuff until I read the description. But, I think it is also important for girls, not just boys, to be honest and upfront about intentions and feelings without being needy.
The dialogs towards the end purporting to show how to attract women might work on NT women, but it wouldn't work on me. I would be annoyed by such inane jokes and self-flattery.
To me, the best way to start a relationship with a member of the opposite sex is to make friends with them first. Once you know each other's interests and personalities it becomes easier to know whether to pursue a relationship or just remain friends, and you should be more comfortable in the pursuit.
Also, getting romantically involved without really knowing someone well can cause big problems later. And some aspies, being sensitive people, will tend to get more emotionally involved more quickly than they should. |
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The_Chosen_One
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Personally, I think all this alpha male stuff is complete bullshit but it is interesting that they are put in categories instead of all coming under the one heading of "arrogant twerp".
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chimpy
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: Great guide! |
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The guide is great. I tried it yesterday and it worked flawlessly. Well, I did a lot of awful mistakes due to serious lack of experience, but I was always following principles described by the guide. Actually, it was first time I've just selected an object of my desire and I spent a night with her in very short time afterwards.
I was amazed and shocked in some point even I knew these concepts before. For instance, those "alpha male" principles were revealed in the famous "You're surely joiking Mr. Feynman" book. However, I was always too shy to put this into practice. Nevertheless, this guide is going further because it implements AS. This is turning this guide into an unique cookbook for aspies. I mean all books I read was either for NTs or they were too shallow to be usable.
So thanks a lot for this guide. It's priceless. |
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Pandora
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Well, I hope you aren't going to use this girl and then lose her.
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ManErg
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| Pandora wrote: | | Well, I hope you aren't going to use this girl and then lose her. |
Ouch  I'd like to at least credit the lady involved with having some choice in the matter. Maybe she chose Chimpy and just let him think he was doing the seducing
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