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criss
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 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: Do do see yr'self as a part of the whole |
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I am doing research due to my book, 'the journey of a soul with asperger's syndrome' which comes out in January next year.
As part of the re-drafting process I am exploring as to why some aspies feel they are on the WRONG planet, whilst some (it seems very few here) do not like the WRONG in wrong planet because they do not feel wrong being aspie in the world.
I started a thread on the more general theme of the right or WRONG debate see below
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp1485991.html&highlight=#1485991
HOWEVER..
What I am interested in is weather the vast number of aspies who reject the WRONGness of WRONG-planet do so because of a sense of spirituality and possibly see their difficulties and struggles as part of the general human condition which in turn has a unifying factor.
I would appreciate your thoughts.
In gratitude
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ouinon
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Have recently begun to see self as part of whole but does not mean there is no "wrong".
Wrong and right both part of whole! 
( ie: eastern rather than western spiritual tradition )
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criss
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I find that interesting, thank you.
I was contemplating at great depth the other day how many of the mystics in all traditions in the past, felt the world to be a rotten place, and somehow there was something spiritual about renouncing it, and proclaiming their difference.
Subsequently, it got me thinking about the possibility of a connection with aspies and their feeling of alienation from the world. What interests me greatly is how we can as individuals, help ourselves and thus each other in being less isolated and thus more truly and deeply ourselves.
I was interested to hear you mention eastern practice.
Modern day contemplatives seem to see no disparity with this world and what they believe to be the next.
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Am I on the wrong planet, you ask? Yes, but my homeworld was destroyed long before I was ever born. So I'm stranded here on Earth. I'm too old to live anywhere else in the universe now. Plus, I never did find my spaceship ...  |
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criss
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I am starting to see that such comments are a bit of non-literal tomfoolery. an aspie fun and games kinda thing.
I guess I was taking many members here too literally. That or being too serious for my own good.
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lotusblossom
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I am really interested in the ideas of non self from the buddhist philosophy and how lots of studies on collective consiousness seem to support it (studies on blue tits and monkeys learning thigs accross the country at once). This is also a phenomena of scientific history with people often making the same discovery accross the world from each other.
I think people would think more carefully about not helping others and seeing them as other and with repugnance if they understood that they were part of them and their hurt effected them also. I especially think this has relevance for how successful people treat homeless people badly.
I like what Thich Naht Hanh says "I am a wave on the crest of the ocean, the wave does not die it returns to the sea" I think that idea of us all being waves on a big connecting ocean is great, we are all organs of the earth - all joined together. |
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criss
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How beautiful
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| Quote: | | I was contemplating at great depth the other day how many of the mystics in all traditions in the past, felt the world to be a rotten place, and somehow there was something spiritual about renouncing it, and proclaiming their difference. |
I don't think the mystical tradition rejects the world as rotten, just as illusory and addictive, in that we get so caught up in the material world we forget that we're something more than merely physical. The motivation for renouncing it is an attempt to consciously separate one's actual self from the role one is playing within the game
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I like what Thich Naht Hanh says "I am a wave on the crest of the ocean, the wave does not die it returns to the sea" I think that idea of us all being waves on a big connecting ocean is great, we are all organs of the earth - all joined together. |
Beautiful analogy. I'd take it a step furthur: we are all droplets cast up from the waves of the ocean. The span of our lives, the moment that our individual droplet hangs suspended in the air. Our separation from the whole a brief illusion.
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criss
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Lotusblossom, would you like to tell me more about ideas of non-self. I find this very interesting indeed, especially as us aspies are supposed to be self-centered?
Willard. Could you tell me what tradition you draw from, when you say that the mystical traditions of the past do not reject the world. my study of the saints and mystics in many of the traditions leads to the opposite conclusion. Or would I be right in saying this is your personal opinion?
chris
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Do do see yr'self as a part of the whole |
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| criss wrote: | | Do do see yr'self as a part of the whole? |
I see myself as part of the whole donut, as well as the donut hole.
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criss
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wonderfull!
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lotusblossom
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| criss wrote: | Lotusblossom, would you like to tell me more about ideas of non-self. I find this very interesting indeed, especially as us aspies are supposed to be self-centered?
Willard. Could you tell me what tradition you draw from, when you say that the mystical traditions of the past do not reject the world. my study of the saints and mystics in many of the traditions leads to the opposite conclusion. Or would I be right in saying this is your personal opinion?
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I do a lot of "touching the earth " meditation where you visualise strongly your connection to the earth and your oneness with mountains , jungles, animals and people. I feel real peek experiences and ecstasy when I do this and I feel we are all part of the whole like how a hair on your arm is part of you.
A story goes that when Buddha was meditating alone Mara (the evil one) was tempting him by saying that he was all alone and should go back to his palace and family, but Buddha reached down and touched the earth and told Mara that he was never alone.
I get great strength from this as now I dont feel lonely as I can just touch the earth anytime and feel connected to the world.
Theres some people who do good talks on non self (apart from Thich) I will look up the links and post them presently. Hope I dont sound too much like a broken record |
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criss
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Thank you lotususblossom............. how lovely.
Thich I has taught me much through his books and also the sanga meetings I have been a part of. As a teacher of the Alexander technique I have been helped into moving beyond the head and into the the mindfullness experience which he so beautifully embodies.
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