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Gifted-Monster
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 Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: Soul Decay |
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Let us first for a moment all believe we have a soul.
And now I ask. Is your soul decaying?
Few people in society contemplate this issue.
Can a soul even decay?
I believe it can.
In today's society, independent thought is discouraged and conformity is highly encouraged.
Those who step out often get the Galileo treatment.
With such indepent thought...with creation itself being stifled, choken and ripped from society, our souls are slowly suffering the effects of spiritual entropy.
It seems we Aspies are almost the Vanguards, the Valkyries of creation if you will. We guard it with a zealous fury. We are different, we represent change.
The irony of this occurance is that religion seems to be one of the main causes of Soul-Decay. With it's srengthening hold on people, it is not allowing people to think differently.
Quite similiar to pre-Leninist Russia. The church spoke, the people obeyed.
And another irony. If God exists, he gave us free will and choice. BUT religion is almost trying to stamp that out. With it's hooks sunk deep into people, you can almost guarantee eache elcted official will be gripped by the balls and dangled like an upside-down puppet.
And with Commercialism running rampant, we almost praise that as a new God, it's almost as if Christianity is slowly shifting allegiance's to their version of a more powerful, more real god.
Which only further promotes spiritual decay. People are greedy and want to get close to this "new god" which can only be done by strict, enforced rules limiting free thought.
And that's pretty much it.
May not exactly be coherent, but it is a belief I hold true.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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You believe government repression of creativity is rotting your soul? The Galileo treatment, you say? I would argue that we are living free and unhibited lives compared to those living under Islamofascist and Chinese Communist rule.
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Awesomelyglorious
Destroyer of worlds, reaver of souls
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Soul Decay |
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| Gifted-Monster wrote: | Let us first for a moment all believe we have a soul.
And now I ask. Is your soul decaying? |
Sure, it probably is, but from different factors than you promote.
| Quote: | In today's society, independent thought is discouraged and conformity is highly encouraged.
Those who step out often get the Galileo treatment.
With such indepent thought...with creation itself being stifled, choken and ripped from society, our souls are slowly suffering the effects of spiritual entropy. |
Well, the issue is that to say that our society discourages independent thought seems very false compared to past societies. You may get kicked out of some exclusive organizations, but Galileo treatment? I don't really see it. If independent thought is discouraged and conformity encouraged, then I think we may have just hit an element of human nature rather than a flaw in our society in particular given that we live in a liberal(not meaning leftwing) society.
| Quote: | | It seems we Aspies are almost the Vanguards, the Valkyries of creation if you will. We guard it with a zealous fury. We are different, we represent change. |
What about the conformists in our group? Aspies also have the competing drive for structure.
| Quote: | | The irony of this occurance is that religion seems to be one of the main causes of Soul-Decay. With it's srengthening hold on people, it is not allowing people to think differently. |
Historically it has been weakening and religious innovation is occurring with many religions in the west. You may see the conservative Christians, and it is true that religion is often a bulwark of tradition, but also within the same religion we have movements such as Open Theism, Liberal Christianity, the Emerging church, the New Monasticism movement, Christarchy, Neo-Orthodoxy, and well, we've seen that in the past all the way back to the Reformation, in the Calvinists, the Lutherans, the Arminians, and the Anabaptists. Heck, even the Conservative Christians innovate with concepts such as presuppositional apologetics, Christian hedonism and Reformed Epistemology although perhaps not all of these concepts will necessarily be seen as good.
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Quite similiar to pre-Leninist Russia. The church spoke, the people obeyed. |
Well, not really, because there is no unified church, people leave and change churches, and to be honest, your example also has the unfortunate historical detail that post-Leninist Russia merely exchanged "church" with "Communist party", which can be seen with their rejection of Darwinian evolutuion for Lysenkoism, the various purges, the propaganda, and well, the fact that they preserved Lenin in a manner to touch on previous religious sentiment.
| Quote: | | And another irony. If God exists, he gave us free will and choice. BUT religion is almost trying to stamp that out. With it's hooks sunk deep into people, you can almost guarantee eache elcted official will be gripped by the balls and dangled like an upside-down puppet. |
You are thinking of certain religious traditions, and not even entirely them. Not only that, but not all religions agree that we have free will and choice in the traditional sense of the word, Calvinists believe that our will and our choice is constrained by our nature and is thus not libertarian. Not only that, but conservative theology really does not make a very strong stand on the economic side of the issues that Republicans do, and not only that, but most of the time they don't get their agenda across anyway.
| Quote: | | And with Commercialism running rampant, we almost praise that as a new God, it's almost as if Christianity is slowly shifting allegiance's to their version of a more powerful, more real god. |
Well, we like stuff. It is not that odd of a concept. Christianity is losing ground to this certainly. But stuff does not really have much of an order to it given that we have multiple very different subgroups engaging in the buying of stuff from the "gangstas" to the goths.
| Quote: | | Which only further promotes spiritual decay. People are greedy and want to get close to this "new god" which can only be done by strict, enforced rules limiting free thought. |
No, you "get close" to the "new god" by buying stuff that you want and think is fancy. I mean, heck, there is not very much uniformity to a lot of people's purchasing decisions, and even so much as there is, purchasing decisions do not force thinking decisions.
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May not exactly be coherent, but it is a belief I hold true.
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And if it is not coherent, what should we think of your thoughts? Liberation from coherency, seems like bondage to folly to me.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: |
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What does it really mean to lose one's soul? For the soul to suffer complete annihilation with the survival of the body? A person with soul-sickness is definitely still alive, but in living in torment. A person whose soul has fled their body is understood to be dead.
Christians believe in an immortal soul, incorruptible, indestructible. A more nuanced understanding of this doctrine would suggest that there is indeed a part of the soul subject to change and a part that is not. The spirit of a person is to my understanding more temporal and subject to earthly influences. The person' soul, OTOT, is eternal, irreducible, the very kernel of their being.
Maybe one is Random Access while the other Read-Only. 
I invite WrongPlanet posters to challenge my use of these terms. |
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DeanFoley
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Soul Decay |
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| Gifted-Monster wrote: |
It seems we Aspies are almost the Vanguards, the Valkyries of creation if you will. We guard it with a zealous fury. We are different, we represent change.
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No, no, and no. Just no. PLEASE not thi ''Aspie power'' sh** again...
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oscuria
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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I have a soul, and only the ignorant believes it is decaying. The soul is without pain, without morality. We in our conditioned state say "I am in pain, I have lost morality" just as you in your state believe you are in a greater position due to your AS or perceived free-thinking.
You are decaying mentally. The soul, however, will remain soul.
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MissConstrue
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I'd like to believe I have a soul therefore I am. I do believe that society in many ways influence some of our conscious for survival reasons. We are governed by thought which in itself is the mind or the brain.
We're still in the dark ages of the complexities of the brain and how the transmitters emit thought, messages, talents, skills, and so on. I do in many aspects feel that we live in an age of technology and science. Nothing wrong with that but often times we are bombarded with advertisements of pills, looks, careers, behavior, etc. We are a media driven society and as in any culture, I think the question is Do we really think for ourselves or do we subconsciously mock what is going on in front of us whether it is conformed or not?
I think in some aspects the answere is yes because as human beings, we deflect from what is truth and what is mystery hence there is no god or there is an almighty god that is full of wrath or in my case agnostic spirituality that into which I look at the powerful and mysterious creations of life besides the science behind it.
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ManErg
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If it can decay, than maybe it can grow, too? And then our challenge is to find how to live our lives to make it grow.
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Confused-Fish
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| The Soul can not decay for it is not of the physical universe, it cannot dissipate in any way or form for it is eternally bound to the source and as such the soul is therefore infinite. |
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