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| Speckles wrote: | Hmm, I feel a bit nervous jumping in here, since things are starting to get a bit heated, but here goes nothing.
IMO it is impossible to have something that is both omnipotent and eternal. If it is omnipotent, then it cannot be eternal, as it can destroy itself. If it is eternal, then it cannot be omnipotent, for there is something it cannot do. One negates the other, and so trying to imagine it leads to a sort of logical Ouroboros.
From what I understand from my passing knowlege of Eastern Philosophy, this is actually a fairly good description of the divine. Buddha is the mind and Buddha is not the mind, the sound of one hand clapping, and so on. The cognitive dissonance caused by meditating on what logically cannot be is the way to the mind of god (or something like that, I don't really know).
Is this what you are trying to communicate oscuria? |
Well, to correct you on something: I am not a Buddhist and neither am I influenced by its practice.
Now: It is impossible to have something omnipotent and eternal? I have already hinted in the quote above that these are attributes given to something that is without explanation. Whoever or Whatever we refer to is with and without. Explaining Him would only lead to contradictions and confusions. "He is this, He is that, He is not this, He is not that." Who in this world actually knows? No one. The only thing those who profess of Him know is that He simply Is; One, self-sufficient, without another.
I do not believe in absolute free-will. I believe in determinism and it is through this belief that I find that He is omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent. When we say "Why didn't He do this!?" it is because we are ignorant of what is actually occurring. If we begin to look inside we would understand how futile these beliefs and wants are. The Universe's fate has already been decided and we only move to bring about its end. What can actually be done? It has been decided. Even the Epochs sing of a finished story.
The many doubts that occur is because we believe Him to be a Person, of equal mind, thought, and action to us. Because we cry, we imagine Him crying. Because we are in pain, we imagine Him in pain. This is an absolutely ridiculous belief to have in my opinion of One which is in control of All. It is as if we attributed ignorance to Him. This is where our mind begins to develop a Personification of the Lord. I, ironically, do believe in a Personality of Godhead--for only through devotion is one liberated/saved. Everyone, from the atheist, Personifies God. It is as much acceptable as an Impersonal, and attributeless, Godhead (which I find to be the True form of God).
Where my argument leaned on was on the aspect of the Soul. The soul according to my belief is without beginning and without end. It cannot be destroyed like the body or Ego can be destroyed. We should not confuse the ego, or living, with the Soul. The Soul transcends these. Neither should we attach emotions to the Soul. It transcends these things.
In the created world, we are all under the rule of the Divine Law/Will. It is through this Creation that the many attributes of God are revealed. Where do they go when there is no longer a Creation?
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| The afterlife. Does the end of the world mean the end of Creation? |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | The afterlife. Does the end of the world mean the end of Creation? |
The end of the Universe means the end of Creation.
What makes you believe in an afterlife similar to existence?
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I'm tempted to say, "You're taking this too literally."
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| slowmutant wrote: | I'm tempted to say, "You're taking this too literally."
But part of me knows better than that. |
Explain.
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The End of Creation, the World, and the Universe may not actually refer to the same event. In order for Heaven to be eternal, the spiritual realm must survive the ultimate destruction of Armageddon.
Can time, in the scriptural sense, actually be said to have an end |
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| slowmutant wrote: | The End of Creation, the World, and the Universe may not actually refer to the same event. In order for Heaven to be eternal, the spiritual realm must survive the ultimate destruction of Armageddon.
Can time, in the scriptural sense, actually be said to have an end |
I don't believe in an eternal Heaven (where all my desires would be fulfilled). The Universe is cyclical--Creation and Destruction. Heaven and Hell, as far as my belief goes, are a part of Creation.
The Soul/God is not bound by time.
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