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Willhelmina Emu Egg


Joined: Jun 18, 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: Diagnosing my Boyfriend |
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Hi I am new to this site. I am NT and I think my boyfriend is somewhere on the spectrum. I began to really think so when he said (typed) once to me on I.M., that "I didnt understand, sometimes its hard for him to look at people" maybe he said in the eye or look at peoples eyes something like that and it was said in response to his being fairly withdrawn that day, those days, that week. A bell went off in my head and I remembered a research paper I did regarding "gaze avoidance".
The rest of his symptoms fell into place, he speaks to me almost exclusively on IM, email or texts. He sometimes is very matter of fact, like he thinks "thats just the way it is and I should be able to say so point blank and it be ok - why should that impact anyone else". He is VERY VERY into sports and sex and fitness. I would say almost obsessed with sports and sex, almost. He once admitted to me that he asked his doctor if his level of desire for sex was normal. When we have been in the car together for 30 to 45 minute rides (which is rare usually only necessary trips airport, ride to work when car broken down) there could be zero talking. Once I said "you didnt even talk to me all the way home", he said "I didn't know you wanted to". When I try to look at his face/eyes up close it is like a magnetic force field in reverse, his face always veers away from me and he VERY RARELY looks into my eyes not even during sex. He said to me once when we first met something about if he feels jealous that is how he knows he is in love, as if how he felt would be no indication. I also noticed one time he had a pile of books from the library all on how to make small chat, etc.
The gaze avoidance and lack of verbal communication are the biggest indications I have. Last night we were standing up talking and he was physically turned almost totally away from (but only half way) and the gaze avoidance was so obvious to me. And at that moment it hit me, he really REALLY has Aspergers or something. I just knew it. Now I let other thoughts creep in and I am not as positive. So much of his behavior is easy to attribute to him not liking me so its hard to rise above and believe he does like me but that he behaves in these ways because he is different. I also question my "diagnosis" because he seemed to interact more with other women in his past than he does with me. We have been seeing each other for 8 years. I mentioned Aspergers to him a couple times (usually as in "I used to think you had a communication issue and thats why i was ok with your behavior but I see you've been talkign to "Sally" every single day). I have come right out and asked if he has it and he says no. I think he has a widows peak as well -- for some reason I thought I recalled that being a feature of people on the spectrum, but now cant find reference to it online (and I only think it cause I think he shaves it so I never see it if I am right).
I guess i am questioning is he on the spectrum or is he just not that into me except for sex. There I said it. Thoughts? (thank you so much for reading and possibly answering) |
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techstepgenr8tion that chatty American


Joined: Feb 07, 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 7167 Location: The fine world of insomnia and coffee
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think he's on spectrum somewhere.
If you want a good analogy for the gaze aversion thing, its a sign of hypersensitivity. I think most people have a degree of shielding to where its easier to make eye contact with people you don't know; for a lot of us, particularly if we aren't actively conversing with someone, its like staring directly at the sun - its a very physical aversion. |
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Willhelmina Emu Egg


Joined: Jun 18, 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: Diagnosing Boyfriend |
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Thanks for that. I was so positive in my diagnosis last night that I started to cry and admonish myself for not being the bigger woman and realizing it sooner. I got right on my computer after he left my house and sent him an email that said I understood him more now than ever and that it wasnt due to what he said (we had been arguing) it was what I saw (the pronounced gaze avoidance(but I havent told him that). I told him I would try to be more understanding from now on. Why do I feel I shouldnt tell him, why do I feel like I should? Maybe he knows and is hiding it, maybe he wouldnt believe me if I told him, why does he have a need to know?
Its so hard to realize or accept that someone I spend so much energy trying to be what he wants, or to live up to his expectations is actually struggling with some type of communication/behavioral issue (not sure how to describe) himself. If its true, I need to somehow find the confidence to believe he loves me the way that he knows how to and then be as helpful and understanding as I can be for him. All when he probably wont believe it or admit it. Its far too easy to get my feelings hurt and believe he is just using me and doesnt love me at all. |
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techstepgenr8tion that chatty American


Joined: Feb 07, 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 7167 Location: The fine world of insomnia and coffee
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| One question, is he strictly self-assured or is he self-aware as well? I ask because if he seems like the type of guy who analyzes himself and wants to know more about why the way he is - it could be a good thing, though I'd bring it up rather discretely. On the other hand, if he's of that mold where he doesn't even question his differences there's a fairly good chance that he won't be able to identify with it. |
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Willhelmina Emu Egg


Joined: Jun 18, 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you. Umm he is totally self assured and self aware. ha : ) Actually he is very interested in knowing how others interact and what they think I believe so he can learn how he is expected to interact but at the same time I think he is wholly OK with who he is. I think I will bring up the gaze avoidance thing, maybe sometime at a very quiet moment or online (but then there are no other times : ) if nothing else, it could be a relief to him to know what in heck is going on or he can know I know or suspect and love him more for it. |
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LePetitPrince Phoenix

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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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how do you that much about autism? are you psychiatrist?
I don't look into eyes too , I noticed during conversation with a coworker about eyes'colors that I don't even know the color's eyes of my coworkers and colleagues! |
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Willhelmina Emu Egg


Joined: Jun 18, 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Diagnosing my Boyfriend |
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I am not a psychiatrist. I knew about gaze avoidance from some autism research I did when I was studying to be a teacher. I know the rest from internet research only.
I had a thought about the eye gazing thing. Since the feeling has been described as hypersensitive, it seems that it is on the extreme other end of the spectrum from where an NT is. Because for me, as a supposed NT, when I look in his eyes even just during normal times but usually during sex (if I can ever be lucky enough for that to happen) I get a major charge, or a nice charge at least from it, so I can see it being same types of sensations for AS just different levels of it. I could see if mine eye contact sensations were revved up to a high level I wouldn't want to go around looking at eyes either. |
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sgrannel Dr. Strangelove


Joined: Feb 21, 2008 Posts: 1159 Location: The Bland Corporation
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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It's nice that you looked into this instead of making all kinds of bad assumptions about what gaze avoidance means. A lot of people will just assume he's being impolite or not listening. I have had a lot of problems with this, and other people would have interpreted my behavior far differently if they understood it. _________________ Terrifying, simple to understand, and completely credible and convincing. |
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Rynok Velociraptor


Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 446 Location: San Antonio, Texas
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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I'll look at someone's eyes, and their arms, and their neck, and their nose,...for me the eyes have no special meaning.
I'd sooner know the color of their hair and the color of the shirt they were wearing than the color of their eyes.
Come to think of it, I've been working with the same group of guys for a year and I can't say for certain what each of their eye colors are.
That said, even if your boyfriend is on the spectrum, and even if you know more about it than he does, it is still sometimes going to be hard dealing with him (and not everyone fits the mold exactly, or to the same degree). He sounds like he sees things logically though, so anything important I'd recommend presenting to him in that fashion Just a straight forward, "Here are the facts. Lets discuss!".
Anyways, like sgrannel said, its nice you came to a place like this instead of just making terrible assumptions that aren't usually true. One of the biggest problems in my mind is the portrayal of Aspergers and Autism to the public.
It sounds weird, but I know I like someone via the following formula:
1. Would I care if they died? (would it effect me personally?)
2. Would I want them to be happy, even if it wasn't with me?
If the answer is yes to both, then I'm certain I have feelings for them and I let them know. |
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