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Xelebes
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| jat wrote: | | I don't think there's an assumption that anyone intended to kill the child. The problem here is that the adults in charge were so intent on stopping what they saw as the child's unacceptable behavior, that they didn't pay attention to the ramifications of what they were doing. They just wanted the noise and the behavior to stop - I don't think for a minute that they wanted to kill the child. I do think they weren't thinking about the child, though. Anyone who was thinking about the child would have recognized that wrapping a small child in a heavy blanket, and leaving him (wrapped) face down, would be dangerous. The criminal charges wouldn't be murder - they would be some lesser charge of manslaughter (no intent) and gross negligence of a caretaking duty. People who shake babies (shaken baby syndrome) generally aren't trying to hurt or kill the baby, either - they just want the baby to stop crying. The fact is, the baby gets hurt, and the shaking is wrong and dangerous. It's the same kind of problem, just a little differently presented. |
I am thinking that, with this being a special-needs school, that the staff are somewhat aware of the medical treatments available for autistic children - especially the fact that they have a weighted blanket available for them to use. Now, given that the staff are trained to deal with students with special needs, the child could really have been acting troublesome and the teacher thought the appropiate means of stopping this behaviour was to provide a stimulation - a weighted blanket.
Here, errors are likely to have been the cause of death. I would suspect a tort has been committed, but nothing criminal. |
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slowmutant
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| We have to give the adults more credit here. Sometimes stoppoing a behaviour is necessary. |
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nirrti_rachelle
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| slowmutant wrote: | | We have to give the adults more credit here. Sometimes stoppoing a behaviour is necessary. |
What behavior, breathing?
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slowmutant
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| Quote: | | What behavior, breathing? |
No, more like violence, self-injury, injury of others. If the kid were to go completely apesh*t, what are you supposed to do? Some autistic kids do not respond to langauge. They cannot be reasoned with or told to "settle down." It's a tragedy that the little boy lost his life, but it was an accident. I'm sure the people were well-trained. Despite experience and training, accidents still happen.
Why is it that only when people are trying to help that they become alleged murderers? |
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Jainaday
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Quote: | | What behavior, breathing? |
No, more like violence, self-injury, injury of others. If the kid were to go completely apesh*t, what are you supposed to do? Some autistic kids do not respond to langauge. They cannot be reasoned with or told to "settle down." It's a tragedy that the little boy lost his life, but it was an accident. I'm sure the people were well-trained. Despite experience and training, accidents still happen.
Why is it that only when people are trying to help that they become alleged murderers? |
Because as effective as killing someone is in stopping a behavior, it's not right--even if it is an accident based on well intended actions. |
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Jacobison
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| slowmutant wrote: | Was he held facedown against the blanket with his mouth & nose covered?
I've heard of this. It could be Positional Asphyxiation.
And only 9 years old. 
Let's all hope he has gone to a place where there is no pain or fear. RIP, kid. |
yeah he's dead, there's no pain or fear there |
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slowmutant
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Am I the only person goiving the boy's caregivers the benefit of the doubt? Aren't people innocent until proven guilty? This is an irrational knee-jerk response, and I'm disappointed by it. WHat do we know of the coroner's report? Eyewitness report? Medical records?
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nodice1996
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god damn schools think they have the authority to forcibly restrain people! now look what they did.
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Jainaday
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Am I the only person goiving the boy's caregivers the benefit of the doubt? Aren't people innocent until proven guilty? This is an irrational knee-jerk response, and I'm disappointed by it. WHat do we know of the coroner's report? Eyewitness report? Medical records? |
Enough is known about safe/unsafe restraints that the caregivers had a legal and moral responsibility to know how to preform whatever technique they were using without killing a child. |
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Xelebes
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| Jainaday wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | | Am I the only person goiving the boy's caregivers the benefit of the doubt? Aren't people innocent until proven guilty? This is an irrational knee-jerk response, and I'm disappointed by it. WHat do we know of the coroner's report? Eyewitness report? Medical records? |
Enough is known about safe/unsafe restraints that the caregivers had a legal and moral responsibility to know how to preform whatever technique they were using without killing a child. |
And I ask, is that criminal negligence or negligent to prevent harm? |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| Or was it simply an accident? |
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JamieRose
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| That poor kid. Too young to die. |
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Jainaday
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| Xelebes wrote: | | Jainaday wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | | Am I the only person goiving the boy's caregivers the benefit of the doubt? Aren't people innocent until proven guilty? This is an irrational knee-jerk response, and I'm disappointed by it. WHat do we know of the coroner's report? Eyewitness report? Medical records? |
Enough is known about safe/unsafe restraints that the caregivers had a legal and moral responsibility to know how to preform whatever technique they were using without killing a child. |
And I ask, is that criminal negligence or negligent to prevent harm? |
I need a clearer question if I'm going to answer. |
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Jainaday
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Or was it simply an accident? |
Are you identifying "simply an accident" as different from "a criminally negligent accident?" |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Accidents can be criminally negligent. They can also be accidents in the NASA Challenger Shuttle Mission of '86 sense of it word. Which this is, I don't know. |
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