Mysty Phoenix

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Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Age: 43 Posts: 1999
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Greetings |
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Hi. I'm not sure where to start. I've got thoughts and emotions swirling around in my mind.
I've visited here before, but wasn't inspired to register and post. I was exploring the idea of Asperger's / Autism / ADD and myself having some of those traits.
Ironically, what has brought me back and inspired me to register is someone else. I was reading a book, a story, about raising an autistic child, With The Light. And this person, I'll call him S, came to mind. I realized, he does have austistic spectrum traits. Realizing this about him, it explains all the things I've found frustrating about him.
Which I suppose makes me sound like an NT. Ah, but it's not that simple.
I took the Aspie Quiz. The results said I have Aspie traits and NT traits. Yup, sounds like me.
A bit now about how S fits into my life. S is a musician, in a band I like based in the area. I had a definite obsession with him, and still like him quite a lot. And, despite my expectations that he should be oblivious to my existance, he noticed me. He initiated interaction, not me.
He was someone I related to, and who reminded me of my dad, or more specifically, of how I saw my dad when I was little. And I'm realizing now that the same set of traits that are why he's been so frustrating are also why I was drawn to him, and why I like him. It's like my NT side finds him frustrating, his not responding how I expect, not responding normally but in ways that just don't make sense to me. And my Aspie side relates to him.
The identification was strong enough, that he helped me see my own beauty. I saw myself as unlikeable. Like, God loved me, but no one else would. S, I saw as very beautiful. And I also related to him. And I realized, if we are alike, and if he's beautiful, then I am too. And that appreciation for my own beauty has stuck.
We are both alike and different, and only now do I really understand how we are alike. As well as how that relates to some of our differences.
One difference is, he seems to be one of those people who can play normal. (Thus my sense at times that he's not being real, that I can't see the real him.) Me, I can't do that. I recall, way back in Jr High, feeling like I didn't know how to do the right things to fit in, that if I tried, I'd be a failure, so I decided to be me. Eventually I learned that some people admire this about me.
So, as far as socially interacting, sometimes I don't understand the rules, but I get along by being quiet sometimes, especially before I get to know someone, and by listening. People like listeners.
I guess often I'm better at knowing what not to say/do than knowing what to say/do.
I'm not sure how much of this is how I am, and how much is being visible in my social circles, but I do tend to have people who know who I am but I don't know who they are. Sometimes they realize I won't or might not know who they are. Other times they expect me to know who they are. I tend to go along with the conversation not revealing that I have no clue who they are. (I'm into live music, and a couple different bands I like have message boards where I post a lot, plus I like to dance; the message board posting and the dancing make me visible.)
As far as S, I'm realizing, I need to not just see how his austistic/aspie traits (whichever label is better to use) have made him frustrating, but also how they are good things. His musical abilities. His sweetness, I think. His obliviousness to my obsession with him that I had is (was?) both sweet and frustrating.
If I had to put a label on myself, I feel like ADD traits fits best. "Traits" here because one of the diagnostic criteria is that these things (in the other diagnostic criteria) are a problem, and for me, being this way is not a problem. It's who I am, and I get along fine.
I'm Aspie enough to appreciate the idea of feeling like one's on the wrong planet. One of my former online names was [myname]thealien. (I'd rather be anonymous right now, not so much for myself but because of talking about someone else.) Plus I don't think the diagnostic criteria get at the actual ADD traits that I have. (I've never been diagnosed with anything. Never seen a psychiatrist for any reason.)
Oh, I'm female. Married for 15 years. Didn't have any boyfriends, and had only been on one date, prior to meeting my husband.
P.S. I would post a link to the book, but no link posting till a person has been here 5 days and has 5 legitimate posts. |
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JerryHatake Caps/Michal Neuvirth Fan


Joined: Jul 02, 2006 Posts: 11120 Location: Woodbridge, VA
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Nice to meet you, MR.  _________________ "You are the stars and the world is watching you. By your presence you send a message to every village, every city, every nation. A message of hope. A message of victory."- Eunice Kennedy Shriver |
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Tim_Tex Professor Hineybottom


Joined: Jul 03, 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 41865 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Welcome to WP! _________________ <<<=== This is not the devil, this is the Red Guy from Cow and Chicken. |
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Alea Hummingbird


Joined: Jun 26, 2008 Age: 23 Posts: 22 Location: NC... blaarrg
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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i've seen with the light before, but i haven't bought it yet. i wanna read it though!! and i guess i don't have room to talk 'cuz i'm new too but welcome! _________________ Autism, yo
www.sunridgepress.com
Gets sad n' all, y'know, when there's nothing to do but sit around and get anxious. That is the story of how this account came to be and how i broke my old CD player. well, actually, it died in a fit of rage but... yea |
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richie Ye Olde Bookwyrme


Joined: Jan 10, 2007 Age: 54 Posts: 31256 Location: Lake Whoop-Dee-Doo, Pennsylvania
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Mysty Phoenix

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Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Age: 43 Posts: 1999
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the welcome.
Regarding Into The Light, it's weird to identify with and empathize with the mother in the story. I've always, reading about autism before, it's been something I relate to in some ways (well, not always, but when I connected with it). But, I can understand the feeling of the mother, who wants her child to look at her, wants him to say "mommy", and her frustration at not getting that. (I like the comment in the book that it was so memorable when her autistic child finally said "mommy", but with her 2nd, normal, child she didn't even take note of the first time it was said.) The times I've been frustrated, knowing S likes me, because, there's too many signs he does to think other wise, but wondering why he's never said it or directly shown it. Wanting him to understand my feelings, but he never gives indication he does, and was once majorly oblivious (acting with a distinct lack of understanding my feelings).
And, on top of not expecting to empathize with that particular perspective, I'm not generally good at the empathy thing anyway.
Hey, is there a thread around here about good things about being aspie? I'm thinking something like that would be good to read. If someone reading this knows of one, can you point me the right direction? Otherwise, I guess I could start one on my own. |
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Mysty Phoenix

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Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Age: 43 Posts: 1999
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| P.S. Being as the NTs are in the majority, I'm used to them. I expect those kind of behaviors. I may not always understand normal folks, but I'm used to them. I assume people are normal and have normal reactions. Sure, I may be different, but I'm not expecting other people to be. Plus, S is a little different than me in his traits. |
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Mysty Phoenix

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Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Age: 43 Posts: 1999
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Oops... I forgot the important part of that last point. (I would just edit my post, but this boad is so busy I figure better to add a new post).
So, like I said, most folks are NT. That's why it's called neurotypical. I'm used to that. And I'm used to picking up clues from others as far as what's appropriate and what's not, to make up for not being sure of all the social rules.
So, to know someone where I don't get those clues and have to much more stongly take charge of defining what's what, that's very strange. A different experience than I'm used to. |
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sinsboldly Free Range Aspie


Joined: Nov 22, 2006 Age: 62 Posts: 15238
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| MR wrote: | Oops... I forgot the important part of that last point. (I would just edit my post, but this boad is so busy I figure better to add a new post).
So, like I said, most folks are NT. That's why it's called neurotypical. I'm used to that. And I'm used to picking up clues from others as far as what's appropriate and what's not, to make up for not being sure of all the social rules.
So, to know someone where I don't get those clues and have to much more stongly take charge of defining what's what, that's very strange. A different experience than I'm used to. |
what are you used to?
Merle |
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Mysty Phoenix

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Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Age: 43 Posts: 1999
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| I said what I'm used to. In the middle paragraph. Are you needing something more than that? If so, can you be more specific with your question? |
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sinsboldly Free Range Aspie


Joined: Nov 22, 2006 Age: 62 Posts: 15238
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| MR wrote: | | I said what I'm used to. In the middle paragraph. Are you needing something more than that? If so, can you be more specific with your question? |
you are used to being NT?
Merle |
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Mysty Phoenix

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Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Age: 43 Posts: 1999
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I'm used to other people being NT. Interacting with NTs. |
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Mysty Phoenix

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Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Age: 43 Posts: 1999
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps it's worth noting that I am able to read non verbals, expressions. So I can pick up on those kind of cues.
So, I'm used to getting those from the NTs out there, and getting the normal NT patterns of behavior. And I tend to use that, picking up those clues, to make up for my lack of social sense. |
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