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BazzaMcKenzie
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| skafather84 wrote: | | monty wrote: | | What could more fascist than laws that require motorists, airplane pilots or surgeons to give their complete and undivided attention to the task at hand? It's not like a mistake might kill someone... |
airplane pilots don't even have to fly the majority of the time if you're talking commercial airliners. they set their coordinates and let the jet fly itself. that's why you get reports of pilots going to sleep in the cockpit.
surgery is nowhere near the same thing as driving. different set of motor(meaning the mechanics of muscles) skills required and a different level of focus required. |
(Here) its illegal to use a cell phone (we call them mobile phones) but its ok while driving to:
- use UHF radios
- roll a cigarette & smoke etc
- eat a hamburger
- turn around and talk to people in the back seat
- put your make-up on
- read a newspaper (while sitting in traffic)
- fiddle around with GPS/CD player etc
why pick on phones (except that there are records and statistics are easier to compile)?
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slowmutant
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| In this case, the spirit of the law is more important than the letter of the law. The cell phone law's reason to exist is more important than the cell phone law itself. |
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skafather84
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Age: 25
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Location: New Orleans, LA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | In this case, the spirit of the law is more important than the letter of the law. The cell phone law's reason to exist is more important than the cell phone law itself. |
this is law, not religion. the "spirit" doesn't exit. only the letter. |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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It's a figure of speech, skafather. A figure of speech.  |
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ManErg
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Location: No Mans Land
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| ascan wrote: | | The state shouldn't hand out privileges to me, a free born Englishman. Maybe to some Johnny-come-lately-just-off-the-banana-boat foreigner, but never an Englishman in his own country! |
Clearly showing that the "pro-speeders" argument is based on selfish ignorance and bigotry, not reason.
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ascan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| ManErg wrote: | | ascan wrote: | | The state shouldn't hand out privileges to me, a free born Englishman. Maybe to some Johnny-come-lately-just-off-the-banana-boat foreigner, but never an Englishman in his own country! |
Clearly showing that the "pro-speeders" argument is based on selfish ignorance and bigotry, not reason. |
I've never stated I'm a "pro-speeder", it just suits your argument to make out that's the case. What i'm saying is that the measures taken to catch people breaking speed limits by very small amounts, and the penalties those individuals suffer, are disproportionate. The reason that's the case is, as I've mentioned, the fact that it generates a huge amount of revenue for government, and that people like you, who have no adequate grasp of the concept of risk and how that relates to driving, continually bleat on about safety, thus providing an easily pandered-to group as far as winning votes come election time is concerned.
You know, I can drive from my house in to the nearest city and pass several speed cameras ( a different road to the one where they've been destroyed by a public-spirited demolitions expert). If I'm more than 5mph over the limit there'll be a ticket in the post within a few weeks. Those speed limits are often poorly marked, and frequently have vegetation covering the signs, that's if the local gypsies haven't removed them for scrap. Just to confuse things further, the speed limits have been altered several times and in one place you can still read the old ones painted on the road surface. Yet without fail, 5mph over and that's it, you get a ticket. It's summary justice: guilty unless you can afford to fork-out several Łk to defend yourself in court. Summary justice has no place in England -- it's something ghastly foreigners with funny-sounding names do to each other in banana republics. Anyway contrast that with what happens if my car gets vandalised in the city. The police won't be interested in such a trifle. That's a fact. If my house gets burgled whilst I'm out, I'll be lucky if the police even bother putting in an appearance, but 5mph over the limit a few times and I lose my driving licence and ability to go about making a living. That's disproportionate. Those responsible should be strung-up by their necks from the gantries over the M25 and their corpses left to rot. A fitting end for modern-day highway robbers. |
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technologyforever
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Bye taking the rights of other(s) you are only taking the rights away from yoursel(ves/f). |
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slowmutant
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| Others have the right to drive on safe roads. When there's even one "buzzed" driver on the road, the roads are no longer safe. How to identify the neurochemical threshold between buzzed and drunk? And if a motorist had passed from buzzedness into drunkedness, how would he know? His awareness is already compromised from the alcohol. How to feel the difference in oneself between mild inebriation and full inebriation? To modify the DUI laws as suggested here would be massively impractical, virtualy imopssible since every human being has minute differences in his/her reaction to alcohol. |
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skafather84
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Location: New Orleans, LA
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Others have the right to drive on safe roads. When there's even one "buzzed" driver on the road, the roads are no longer safe. How to identify the neurochemical threshold between buzzed and drunk? And if a motorist had passed from buzzedness into drunkedness, how would he know? His awareness is already compromised from the alcohol. How to feel the difference in oneself between mild inebriation and full inebriation? To modify the DUI laws as suggested here would be massively impractical, virtualy imopssible since every human being has minute differences in his/her reaction to alcohol. |
this is the cell phone thread.
you fascists can't differentiate how you want to get the pigs to oppress people, huh? just get them cops in to protect the people from themselves. |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: |
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That's right, I'm a fascist. Big fascist here.
That makes you a dirty hippie, I guess.  |
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monty
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | | Others have the right to drive on safe roads. When there's even one "buzzed" driver on the road, the roads are no longer safe... |
this is the cell phone thread.
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My cell phone buzzes when it is on the 'silent mode'. Being buzzed like this can be very startling when I am driving down the road. Then, if I try to get it retrieve it, that requires some awkward maneuvers to get it out of my pocket. I would say that the whole process impairs my driving (temporarily) as much a being drunk. Which is why I don't do it any more. |
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