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Tormod
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| Danielismyname wrote: | | Tormod wrote: | | I thought AS was a form of autism, but it may be me misunderstanding something again. Could someone explain this to me? Is AS autism or is it not autism? (I know they aren't synonymous, I know they aren’t the same thing, but I did think AS was a certain kind of autism.) |
Well, more researchers state that Autism and Asperger's are two distinct conditions than those who say they're a part of a continuum. Asperger's comes under the ASD heading, but just like Rett's and CDD, it's distinct from Autism. |
That's weird. I asked my father, and he said that these days, more researchers think of AS as autism, and that that view is increasing. Is it possible that this differs from country to country? |
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Danielismyname
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That's from all research papers on Autism and Asperger's. More say they're two distinct disorders compared to those who state they're the same disorder, but only differing in severity. The disparity of opinions isn't too great however (36 to 23).
It kinda sucks for it leaves those with "HFA" balancing on the diagnostic tightrope (Autistic Disorder without a retarded verbal IQ as an adult), and one can fall to either side depending on who or what diagnoses you.
Fortunately, the countries that lump "HFA" and AS together treat them the same as "LFA" in gaining social services, so whatever label one has, it is effectively moot. |
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Tormod
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| I realize that I don't really know exactly what a research paper is. It has to be a paper with some research on, but what exactly this means I don't know. Is it the official truth, or the most official, or are there other views that can be seen as just as much true that does not involve research papers? |
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MJIthewriter
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Sorry for bumping this, but I am a lurker that found this topic through the search...
I have PDD NOS and I believe I have a very good imagination when developing things. I can look at just about anything and animate it in my head, make a character out of it. I have my preference that I focus on; my insects. I have a cast of characters I develop and write about. I have an ongoing series that I probably will never fully finish.
I guess if there is any imagination lacking, maybe it would be things related with people (not people-like creatures). I don't do much with just straight human characters because then I find myself locked in having to get realistic settings, politics social behavior, etc...
I guess about the "I pretend" thing. I don't think I pretended to pretend. I just went out and pretended.... I also didn't fit into the stereotypical forms of "pretend". For instance I didn't dress up as a princess that I remember. I think I dressed into my step grandpa’s jacket and shoes.. I played house a few times, but only at grandma's house. (The doll doubled as a doll and as a broom). I also don't tend to invite other humans into my imaginative world.
Other times I'm sure I looked like a bump on a log, or just someone swinging on the swing set, lining up toy cars... I guess those times I can see why an outsider would just quickly glance at me and think I lacked imagination.
Perhaps that's what the docs mean? I believe many autistic people have good imagination, but perhaps they don't or can't show it outside their head, and may or may not be able to verbalize and express their creativity. In that case the diagnostic info may seem to fit, but only on a surface level. I can't fault the doctors for that assumption because after all no one can be inside another person's head to see what is really going on. |
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BokeKaeru
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I've never understood that part of the criteria either. What other people have pointed out about the "social imagination" bit makes more sense, but whever I've read diagnostic criteria/pamphlets/sites/etc. about autism and found that criteria it's always confused me, as I and every other person on the spectrum I knew, or who potentially was, have always been very imaginative.
Myself, I was so imaginative that growing up people worried that I was dissociating from reality (some people still do, but generally those tend to be the type of people who think that having dreams means you're out of touch with the "real world"  ). I still am very good at coming up with characters and stories, and do rather frequently. However, for the life of me, I can't apply that towards real-life situations much, as often people don't make sense, their actions and words don't necessarily have to be consistent or leading to anything, which is much more confusing than the most NT-like of my characters. |
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Spokane_Girl
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| Timelady wrote: | | <sarcasm> I'm so sorry, I didn't know </sarcasm> |
Why sarcasm?
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Programmer
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Lack of Imagination- No I don't |
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| Timelady wrote: | | I do have an imagination. |
Lack of imagination is actually referencing lack of "NT imagination." I constantly find that NTs can't even fathom many solutions or possible outcomes of a problem. Quite often after a bit of thought I can create outcomes to situation that Aspies don't see.
For example if someone holds up a cob of corn an NT instinctively reacts dinner. You are not that limited because you have to "think" of a response instead of generally relying on instincts. So when you think of something you come up with more outcomes or possibilities. It is just another extension of NTs judging failure as not behaving like an NT.
It is similar to the pervasive theory of retardation in Aspies that miraculously reverses itself before grade 12. No form of retardation is known to reverse itself. The tests and criticisms are based on NT development not Aspie development or skills.
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kiwi
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| normally_impaired wrote: | | If someone were to say that people with Asperger's lack imagination, they obviously wouldn't know much about Asperger's. I'm constantly coming up with all kinds of ideas and thinking about completely random stuff. My problem is that my imagination is so overactive that I often forget about more important stuff like bills, cleaning, errands, etc. |
amazing..
I might have to hire you one day... lol
creativity is genius.. Yea I can relate to you as well.
I often have a 1000 ideas.. all good.. but they dont always get developed.
Thinking maybe I should direct others in need of new ideas and say do this..eg in business.
ha lazy maybe.. bad time management yes..
so when do we need to invent something by?
someone told me joking around: "you are 20 and you havent invented anything yet.."
Yea I'm sure I have YES.. I need to develop those new ideas.
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Danielismyname
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I can state for a fact that I didn't have much of an imagination when little; I watched sci-fi movies and shows for my enjoyment, and I continually thought of which I saw, rather than making my own world within my head. I didn't play with toys how they were supposed to be played with, i.e., I liked opening the door of a toy car over and over again rather than playing "car".
This is where they get the lack of imagination from, traditionally that is in individuals with Autism. Children with Asperger's have "normal" imagination.
As I posted somewhere else, the problem arises when some countries lump "HFA" with AS, and you see that a lack of imagination is possible in half of them.
Social imagination is different to this lack of imagination/symbolic play. |
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