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Bobby1933
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 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Are you a Taoist? |
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Cottlestonpie: Thanks for the tips on meditation. Brief, useful. I would like if you could post them on the "Contemplative spirituality" thread. Scroll down two pages to about May 20th posts. Incidentally, I sort of agree with you about the Personal Deity. I handle this by acknowledging my total ignorance of the Tao (Pure likght of the void, Brahman, the Godhead, what/whoever). Whatever nonbeing's nature is, I am fairly certain She/he/it will not mind my treating Her/him/it as a person. (By person I mean the person as defined by Mourniey (wrong spelling) who is capable of loving and recieving love.)
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Pixel8
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I think I could turn and live with animals,
they're so placid and self-contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied,
not one is demented with the mania of owning things,
Not one kneels to another,
nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
("Song of Myself", Walt Whitman, 1819-1892)
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Bobby1933
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: Are you a Taoist? |
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Pixel8: How marvelous. I had almost forgotten Whitman and what a zenlike quality some of his poetry has. Thanks.
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Averick
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I like your fyrehorse painting, i'd just seen it pixel8.
I've been away.. |
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Pixel8
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Cheers Averick
I've been painting my friends girlfriends house,
filler and sanding
White gloss, white walls,
not exactly art but it puts food on the table.
I've been a bit wrapped up in work-mode
I've missed posting.
Sometimes a break makes it nicer.
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The Tao is like a well:
used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities.
It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God.
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The Tao doesn't take sides;
it gives birth to both good and evil.
The Master doesn't take sides;
she welcomes both saints and sinners.
The Tao is like a bellows:
it is empty yet infinitely capable.
The more you use it, the more it produces;
the more you talk of it, the less you understand.
Hold on to the center.
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DrizzleMan
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| Pixel8 wrote: | Im thinking about writing a story
called riding the Tiger
Im riding a tiger but i want to get off
but if I do the tiger will eat me
so he runs through the jungle all night
I make a deal eith the tiger
if I get off at a certain place he wont eat me
but I must keep my word
If i dont get off when I should
he'll eat me when I do get off.
this storys about drugs
this tigers called ketamin
any ideas? |
Since I'm not a doctor, my advice to you is to find someone who is, and ask them.
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Pixel8
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I meant ideas for the story
I'd like to think that the life we are living is like a story
A comedy, a tradgedy a romance or whatever
from our deepest depths and highest hights
come insights and gems of wisdom
which can be expressed as art
a painting or a song or a story
and shared with the world once honed and polished.
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Averick
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thirty spokes converge on a single hub,
but it is in the space where there is nothing
that the usefulness of the cart lies.
Clay is molded to make a pot,
but it is in the space where there is nothing
that the usefulness of the clay pot lies.
Cut out the doors and windows to make a room,
but it is in the spaces where there is nothing
that the usefulness of the room lies.
Therefore,
Benefit may be derived from something,
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Pixel8
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The Tao is like a well:
used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities.
It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God.
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4. Limitless
The Way is a limitless vessel;
Used by the self, it is not filled by the world;
It cannot be cut, knotted, dimmed or stilled;
Its depths are hidden, ubiquitous and eternal;
I don't know where it comes from;
It comes before nature.
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4. THE UNFATHOMABLE TAO
It is the nature of the Tao,
that even though used continuously,
it is replenished naturally,
never being emptied,
and never being over-filled,
as is a goblet
which spills its contents
upon the ground.
The Tao therefore cannot be said
to waste its charge,
but constantly remains
a source of nourishment
for those who are not so full of self
as to be unable to partake of it.
When tempered beyond its natural state,
the finest blade will lose its edge.
Even the hardest tempered sword,
against water, is of no avail,
and will shatter if struck against a rock.
When untangled by a cutting edge,
the cord in little pieces lies,
and is of little use.
Just as the finest swordsmith
tempers the finest blade
with his experience,
so the sage, with wisdom, tempers intellect.
With patience, tangled cord may be undone,
and problems which seem insoluble, resolved.
With wise administrators, all can exist in unity,
each with the other,
because no man need feel that he exists,
only as the shadow of his brilliant brother.
Through conduct not contrived for gain,
awareness of the Tao may be maintained.
This is how its mysteries may be found.
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Bobby1933
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: Are you a Taoist? |
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Pixel8: Beautiful. Truthful. But how can the last version be so much different from the others? Is that Stan Rosenthal's interpretation? And where did the others come from? Here are a couple of my favorites:
4. The Way is Unimpeded Harmony
The way is unimpeded harmony'
its potential may never be fully exploited.
It is as deep as the source of all things"
it blunts the edges,
resolves the complications,
harmonized the light,
assimilates the world.
Profoundly still it seems to be there:
I don't know whose child it is,
before the creation of images
Thomas Cleary, 1991
Chapter 4
Tao functions through its nothingness,
And cannot be conceived of as full of things.
Profound indeed, it is the model of all things,
Duling its sharpness,
releasing its entanglements,
Tempering its light, and
Unifying with the earth.
Cleary indeed it remains,
I do not know who created it,
But it is likely that it existed prior to God.
Chang Chung-yuan, 1975
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Bobby1933
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Are you a Taoist |
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Pixel8: Great, thank you. I have put that website on my "favorites" list and will be looking at it for a long. Among the translators and interpretors, I had to stop and notice the one by Ursula LeGuin who, for many reasons, is among my favorite authers.
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The way you can go
isnt the real way.
The name you can say
isn't the real name.
Heaven and earth begin in the unnamed
name's the mother of the ten thousand things.
So the unwanting soul
sees what is hidden,
and the everwanting soul
sees only what it wants.
Two things, one origin,
but different in name,
whose identity is mystery.
Mystery of mysteries!
the door to the hidden.
Ursula K LeGuin, 1978
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Averick
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To realize that you do not understand is a virtue;
Not to realize that you do not understand is a defect.
The reason why
The sage has no defects,
Is because he treats defects as defects.
Thus,
He has no defects. |
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Pixel8
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In harmony with the Tao,
the sky is clear and spacious,
the earth is solid and full,
all creature flourish together,
content with the way they are,
endlessly repeating themselves,
endlessly renewed.
When man interferes with the Tao,
the sky becomes filthy,
the earth becomes depleted,
the equilibrium crumbles,
creatures become extinct.
The Master views the parts with compassion,
because he understands the whole.
His constant practice is humility.
He doesn't glitter like a jewel
but lets himself be shaped by the Tao,
as rugged and common as stone.
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| Averick wrote: | 55
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Thirty spokes converge on a single hub,
but it is in the space where there is nothing
that the usefulness of the cart lies.
Clay is molded to make a pot,
but it is in the space where there is nothing
that the usefulness of the clay pot lies.
Cut out the doors and windows to make a room,
but it is in the spaces where there is nothing
that the usefulness of the room lies.
Therefore,
Benefit may be derived from something,
but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. |
I did not know what I needed, until it was found. This is what I needed to read today - thank you.
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