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23% |
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| Voltaire wrote: | | Karma - What goes around comes around. |
Explain to me what this Karma is. I have heard of it before, and you seem to be an authority on what it is. Also, how does it relate to this topic?
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Deepak Chopra defines karma as the opposite of fate. Karma is the consequences of your choices.
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karma is just another way to make people feel better about bad people getting away with doing very bad things. same as the whole heaven/hell concept.
see: lyrics to the song people who are going to hell by the vandals. |
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| MrMark wrote: | | Deepak Chopra defines karma as the opposite of fate. Karma is the consequences of your choices. |
Mark, I know what karma is. However, the way people use the term does a great disservice to the term.
It is not so much a consequence of our choice. Karma in itself means action. Everything we do is bound by karma, however there are exceptions and instances where karma has no effect. When you perform work with no attachments, no karma binds the person. This is called Karma-yoga. You are unattached to the fruits of your labor, and all the fruits goes to the Lord. When you perform something with a result in mind, that is karma. When it is done with no results in mind (performing out of the necessity to perform), that is akarma.
For a newborn child, it is bound by karma. The infant had no choice. not to mention the child is ignorant of moral wrong and right. So it is not a consequence of the infant's present choices, unless the choice was to live.
Skafather, again, that is the popular definition of Karma to the uninformed.
I am still waiting for the definition by voltaire and his usage in regards to Rag + 'Keet.
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| oscuria wrote: | | Skafather, again, that is the popular definition of Karma to the uninformed. |
other than specific exceptions defined by various religions; karma, in a general sense, is cause and effect. the popular association with it is that negative deeds add up and positive deeds add up on the individual.
i realize that other interpretations more reflect a kind of butterfly effect of good deeds and bad deeds on others but i'm not aiming towards those people in what i'm saying, now am i? |
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| skafather84 wrote: | other than specific exceptions defined by various religions; karma, in a general sense, is cause and effect. the popular association with it is that negative deeds add up and positive deeds add up on the individual.
i realize that other interpretations more reflect a kind of butterfly effect of good deeds and bad deeds on others but i'm not aiming towards those people in what i'm saying, now am i? |
It is a form of cause and effect, but even that needs some explaining to do. There are different religious definitions for karma, yet all are still different from the popular belief.
For example, you typed "negative deeds add up, and positive deeds add up". It is not entirely true. A soldier is not bound by karma unless he kills unjustly. Even if he kills hundreds of thousands in the battlefield, his duty is to perform as a soldier; it is akarma. However, if he were to kill a random person in the street, then yes that would be karma.
If you believe in reincarnation, then the actions you did previously are passed through to the present. In this event, you had no choice. So there is no cause and effect. It is an effect without any cause because you in this present state did not do anything to deserve it. So it's determined (deterministic). What could you do? If you perform nothing but good and receive nothing but bad, how can karma then mean "that negative deeds add up and positive deeds add up on the individual"?
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| oscuria wrote: | Mark, I know what karma is. However, the way people use the term does a great disservice to the term.
It is not so much a consequence of our choice. Karma in itself means action. Everything we do is bound by karma, however there are exceptions and instances where karma has no effect. When you perform work with no attachments, no karma binds the person. This is called Karma-yoga. You are unattached to the fruits of your labor, and all the fruits goes to the Lord. When you perform something with a result in mind, that is karma. When it is done with no results in mind (performing out of the necessity to perform), that is akarma.
For a newborn child, it is bound by karma. The infant had no choice. not to mention the child is ignorant of moral wrong and right. So it is not a consequence of the infant's present choices, unless the choice was to live. |
I believe I chose the circumstances of my birth. I can't quite remember why I chose an alcoholic father with autism genes, but I'm sure I had a good reason at the time.
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| oscuria wrote: | | For example, you typed "negative deeds add up, and positive deeds add up". It is not entirely true. A soldier is not bound by karma unless he kills unjustly. Even if he kills hundreds of thousands in the battlefield, his duty is to perform as a soldier; it is akarma. However, if he were to kill a random person in the street, then yes that would be karma. |
| skafather84 wrote: | | other than specific exceptions defined by various religions; |
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| MrMark wrote: | | oscuria wrote: | Mark, I know what karma is. However, the way people use the term does a great disservice to the term.
It is not so much a consequence of our choice. Karma in itself means action. Everything we do is bound by karma, however there are exceptions and instances where karma has no effect. When you perform work with no attachments, no karma binds the person. This is called Karma-yoga. You are unattached to the fruits of your labor, and all the fruits goes to the Lord. When you perform something with a result in mind, that is karma. When it is done with no results in mind (performing out of the necessity to perform), that is akarma.
For a newborn child, it is bound by karma. The infant had no choice. not to mention the child is ignorant of moral wrong and right. So it is not a consequence of the infant's present choices, unless the choice was to live. |
I believe I chose the circumstances of my birth. I can't quite remember why I chose an alcoholic father with autism genes, but I'm sure I had a good reason at the time. |
some people like a challenge. |
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| oscuria wrote: | | Why did parakeet leave? Same reasons? |
I think so,
what MrMark was to Ragtime
Quattermass was to iamnotaparakeet
It seems they were unhappy with some of the moderation, from their arguments about it, it seems.
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| greenblue wrote: | | oscuria wrote: | | Why did parakeet leave? Same reasons? |
I think so,
what MrMark was to Ragtime
Quattermass was to iamnotaparakeet
It seems they were unhappy with some of the moderation, from their arguments. |
That's not a fair comparison. I liked Ragtime. You really should stick to speaking for yourself.
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| MrMark wrote: | | greenblue wrote: | | oscuria wrote: | | Why did parakeet leave? Same reasons? |
I think so,
what MrMark was to Ragtime
Quattermass was to iamnotaparakeet
It seems they were unhappy with some of the moderation, from their arguments. |
That's not a fair comparison. I liked Ragtime. You really should stick to speaking for yourself. |
I'm not saying you don't like him, what I'm saying is what it seems to come from their perspective, not from mine, and I am only theorizing.
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| greenblue wrote: | | MrMark wrote: | | greenblue wrote: | | oscuria wrote: | | Why did parakeet leave? Same reasons? |
I think so,
what MrMark was to Ragtime
Quattermass was to iamnotaparakeet
It seems they were unhappy with some of the moderation, from their arguments. |
That's not a fair comparison. I liked Ragtime. You really should stick to speaking for yourself. |
I'm not saying you don't like him, what I'm saying is what it seems to come from their perspective, not from mine. |
You got called out son, it is karma!
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| oscuria wrote: | | You got called out son, it is karma! |
I don't think so, it seems a misunderstanding.
I am not on the intention of attacking or criticizing anyone, just trying to see why they are not here, and I miss them too.
For the record, I do like Quatermass.
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I liked Parakeet, but Ragtime never deigned to acknowledge my existence.
I also note there has never been a 'believer' as a mod on this site. The nearest thing was some new-age type.
What is parakeet's site? someone mentioned it. |
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