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nightbender
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btw i am not in any way trying to dimish you having been bulled and the suffering you are enduring.
I was bullied too. |
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Tahitiii
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They didn't invent it. They're just taking advantage of it, just like snake oil peddlers have been doing since the dawn of time.
That doesn't make the problem any less real. With any problem, some people have a mild version and can deal with it, some have a sever version and can't. |
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acannon
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| Tahitiii wrote: | They didn't invent it. They're just taking advantage of it, just like snake oil peddlers have been doing since the dawn of time.
That doesn't make the problem any less real. With any problem, some people have a mild version and can deal with it, some have a sever version and can't. |
This. There are people out there who legitimately can't pay attention to things, no matter what they do. Those people are classified as having ADD. I agree with you that the pharmaceutical companies market on these disorders, but most of them are real disorders, like ADD and social anxiety.
Believe me, I don't want to have social anxiety. I don't know if anyone would. It really inhibits me in a lot of ways. People generally want to have friends and be accepted, so I don't know why anyone would want to fake having something that makes it hard -- and even scary -- to be in social situations. AS at least has given me benefits like hyperlexia and synaesthesia. Social anxiety takes so many things away and doesn't give anything in return. |
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nightbender
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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add didnt exist 50-60yrs ago because the enviroment was cleaner, there was an article in the journal of american medicine that mercury can cause problems with concetration, learning disorders, hyperactivity and disruptive and impulsive behaviors. You cant have aspergers and social anxiety any way the as dx supersedes the social anxiety.
Maybe real problem but not medical disorders,
dont forget one hundred years ago shyness and reserved social behavior was a valued culturalt trait.
so it wasnt a problem then.
as society changes so do the "disorders" |
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acannon
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| Yes I can. I was diagnosed with both by a psychologist. I used to be okay in social situations. Sure, I couldn't read body language or facial expressions, but I wasn't afraid to see someone I knew in the store. I wasn't afraid of talking on the phone. I didn't have any of these fears until I developed social anxiety, which was when I was around six -- the same time I started being bullied. I think there are lots of people who are autistic and have social anxiety. It makes sense: we get bullied for not being social, and some of us don't know how to fix it, so we get scared of being in social situations. |
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Tahitiii
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| nightbender wrote: | | one hundred years ago shyness and reserved social behavior was a valued culturalt trait. so it wasn't a problem then. |
I've never heard of it being a valued cultural trait. It's always been a problem. There just wasn't much you could do about it. Except maybe hit the bottle. Or crawl through a sub-standard life. Or stay home, if you could afford it. |
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Zara
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I suppose I used to... well, maybe I'm still a bit that way. I used to be pretty bad with SA but I gradually got better, mainly through having a job. I still have some anxiety about group situations and new people.
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nightbender
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| acannon wrote: | | Yes I can. I was diagnosed with both by a psychologist. I used to be okay in social situations. Sure, I couldn't read body language or facial expressions, but I wasn't afraid to see someone I knew in the store. I wasn't afraid of talking on the phone. I didn't have any of these fears until I developed social anxiety, which was when I was around six -- the same time I started being bullied. I think there are lots of people who are autistic and have social anxiety. It makes sense: we get bullied for not being social, and some of us don't know how to fix it, so we get scared of being in social situations. |
they do that to make money,
officially more sever diagonosis supersede lesser ones. You cant have bipolar and adhd nor can you have bipolar and depression the greater one supersedes the other.
Your also missing what im saying. Their are no doubt people who are nervous around other people for one reason or another, but no such medical syndrome as Social Anxiety Disorder exists. Its not a disorder its just a problem you happen to have. Its a problem in living as opposed to a pathology.; |
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patypixie
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Yes,I have,diagnosed when I was 13 and sometimes I suffer from panic attacks
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Xanderbeanz
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| humans scare the sh** out of me....but i try to perservere anyway x |
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ChristinaCSB
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| That's what I thought I had before I figured out the asperger's. |
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Amcathra
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I was told I had social anxiety before I got my Asperger's diagnosis. I do suffer from panic in certain circumstances, mostly predictable but not always. It's particularly annoying when it jumps on me unexpectedly.
But not as annoying as job interviews, which have become increasingly more intimidating for me in recent years. Panicking at an interview really makes it difficult. |
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blossoms
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Think I have social anxiety or social phobia. I presume it is easier to diagnose than Aspergers.
What makes me doubt I have social anxiety is that it is compounded with a poor social compass, I find human interactions perplexing. Added to that my brain has always been wired around interests, almost a zeal for it, interests come before friending or making friends. Often making a friend would come secondary to sharing an interest, almost hunting friends with common interests. Also my emotions are decentered, I find it difficult to handle emotions or speak in an emotional way with people (it works both ways), even with close relatives. I avoid it altogether or put it at the back of the mind, which is wrong and can lead to a negave spiral.
So I am not too sure if that added appendage swings me to Aspergers or Social Anxiety. I honestly don't know, what I do know is that there is something not right at all. Being anxious, sometimes with a change of heart beats, in simple human interaction is not normal! I felt nearly physically ill when I once had an interview, I just wanted it to finish and go. |
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silentwisdom
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| nightbender wrote: | no really i saw the big pharma papers detailing how they were inventing it
let me explain something. Here is how it works, they come up with some human problem, lets say not being able to sleep one night, they then call it sudden insomnia disorder or sid, they then market the heck out of and create drugs that affect everone the same way. People then when questioned about say of course i have sid, i couldnt sleep last night,
just like with add
i have seen that the next one they are coming up with is mild depression
even though the current diagnosis catorgory requires like 9 indicators the new one will require only two
and so then people are going to be shouting i have mild depression
even though before no such creature was supposed to exist
people you need to stop allowing your experiences to pathologized
these so called diagnosises are becoming an excuse for people to not to take personal responsiblity for themselves(please note i am not calling aspergers not taking responsiblity for ones self, aspergers is a nuerologic syndrome that requires proffesional assistance0 |
No offense, but unless you actually have social anxiety, you can't possibly state that it doesn't exist. I have it, and I get panic attacks that make me feel like I'm dying inside, and start hyperventilating just stepping into a crowded store. And that's just without talking to people; if I have to communicate, the anxiety gets even worse. Can you imagine having to live with that? Well, I have to.
You probably meant no harm, but your post came across as incredibly ignorant and uninformed. Read a book on social anxiety, and then maybe you'll know what you're talking about. |
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Tahitiii
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I think the question isn’t so much about whether it’s “real,” but whether it’s basic or secondary.
I would think that the basic issue has something to do with social instincts or a herd instinct.
The basic difference leads to problems interacting, which leads to a secondary issue of social anxiety. The seconary issue would be more or less severe, depending on personal experience.
Does that work?
| blossoms wrote: | | ... I find human interactions perplexing. Added to that my brain has always been wired around interests, almost a zeal for it, interests come before friending or making friends. |
This one got me thinking (always a danger). I’ve started a new thread on a related topic:
“I’m backward. Not slow. I'm coming from the other side.”
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt74868.html |
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