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| LostInSpace wrote: | | Ishmael wrote: |
New rule: ignore what rdos says. |
New rule? I've had that rule for a while. Ever since I couldn't seem to make him understand that the sample of Aspies who take his quiz online aren't necessarily representative of the Aspie population as a whole, especially regarding demographics like race. Statistics: Learn it, live it. |
Yeah, very convinient to ignore things you dislike. 
I'd think it would be elementary stastics that if you have 12% black balls in a basket, and pull balls thousands of times, you will end up with close to 12% black balls. 
And if you consistently end up with 1-3%, using different links and different forum posts, you would not be likely to believe that there really were 12% black balls.
Especially not when Internet usage statistics for African Americans is in the same order as for Caucasians, Asians and American Indians. |
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http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt62769.html , this is my favorite thread ever because it truly talks about a huge majority of WP community.
Now how those threads are related?
I'll tell you why:
There are 2 main types of autisnobs:
-The Evolutionist autisnobs
-The Creationist autisnobs
-The evolutionist autisnobs(I am a extreme evolutionist btw) believe that Aspies are the beginning of a new evolved human subspecies who will be the next sentient human species after millions of years. There are even extreme evolutionist autisnobs who believe that Aspies are already a new different human species and they refer it sometimes to "homoaspie" or "homoasperger" ...something like that. And there was one or tow users who believe that the origin of Aspiness is the remaining genetic traits of the Neanderthals.
Disapproving these theories aren't hard due to the fact that Aspiness is not an advantageous evolutionary trait ...communication skills is the one the most important human skills nowadays and obsession and dedication don't compensate the lack of it since many people have obsessive traits anyways, according to some surveys most aspies die single. As for the other theory saying that Aspies are already new subspecies that's total scientific error, Aspies have the same chromosome and DNA structure of the homo sapien , people with Down Syndrome or Williams Syndrome can be scientifically seen as another human subspecies because they have a slightly modified set of chromosomes than other HomoSapiens(but that's not politically correct to say so) but aspies are 100% homosapiens and can procreate with any other HomoSapien.
Stats show that aspiness is not evolutionary advantageous nor naturally selected:
| Quote: | Tantam wrote:
'the table below shows the social adjustment of 46 more able adults with autism known to have needed psychiatric help:'
No contact with a friend in last year: 70%
No sexual relationship for more than one month: 78%
Unemployed: 85%
Never Married: 98%
Resident in hospital or with parents 76% |
| Quote: | 1% according to Tantam (the dude whose criteria is in the DSM-IV-TR)
some sources say 30%
the divorce rate is over 90% in many places.
(It's well under 0% for Autism.) |
So asperger can't be a result of evolution. That's why those Evolutionist autisnobs refuse the possibility that autism might be caused by external factors because they want to believe that they are a special human subspecies.
- The Creationists' beliefs are generally amusing and funny ...the only group that can beat them in that field are the "The Creationist autisnobs" , those Creationist autisnobs are like Zionist Jews , they believe that they are mysteriously chosen by God to be created in a mysterious different way for a mysterious goal of a mysterious God's cause for the whole mankind . As like all Creationists , they say "God's ways are mysterious". I say: all this BS is a mysterious snobbish crap.
That's why those creationist autisnobs can't accept or even tolerate the possibility that their autism might be caused by any other external environmental factor because they believe that the only factor that made them so "unique" and "special" is God.
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | Stats show that aspiness is not evolutionary advantageous nor naturally selected:
| Quote: | Tantam wrote:
'the table below shows the social adjustment of 46 more able adults with autism known to have needed psychiatric help:'
No contact with a friend in last year: 70%
No sexual relationship for more than one month: 78%
Unemployed: 85%
Never Married: 98%
Resident in hospital or with parents 76% |
| Quote: | 1% according to Tantam (the dude whose criteria is in the DSM-IV-TR)
some sources say 30%
the divorce rate is over 90% in many places.
(It's well under 0% for Autism.) |
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Your statistics are very probably totally false. 
The truth is, people doing Aspie-quiz reproduce at about the same rate as NTs. They do have higher divorce statistics, but it is far from 90%.
This just shows that if you use improper methods to create your statistics, the results will be unúsable. Only surveying a psychiatric population without looking at people with similar traits will create bogus results.
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| anna-banana wrote: | | Ishmael wrote: | Don't worry, anna-banana, we can just become part-time jewel thieves.
Or invade North Korea. Or find Osama Bin Laden. |
yeah, nowdays noble metals seem like a good investment ;p
I wouldn't know one bearded guy from another though.
sorry for going off-topic OP, I do like the theory but it seems a bit far-fetched... it might be a good material for some science-fiction novel though, I might use it one day if noone else gets the same idea . |
too late, the book is out already called: The clan of the cave bear by Jean M. Auel
he got there first 
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| Loborojo wrote: | too late, the book is out already called: The clan of the cave bear by Jean M. Auel
he got there first |
Not really. This book does not have the same view of Neanderthal, so you can still do it "right". |
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | | LePetitPrince wrote: |
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt62769.html , this is my favorite thread ever because it truly talks about a huge majority of WP community.
Now how those threads are related?
I'll tell you why:
There are 2 main types of autisnobs:
-The Evolutionist autisnobs
-The Creationist autisnobs
-The evolutionist autisnobs(I am a extreme evolutionist btw) believe that Aspies are the beginning of a new evolved human subspecies who will be the next sentient human species after millions of years. There are even extreme evolutionist autisnobs who believe that Aspies are already a new different human species and they refer it sometimes to "homoaspie" or "homoasperger" ...something like that. And there was one or tow users who believe that the origin of Aspiness is the remaining genetic traits of the Neanderthals.
Disapproving these theories aren't hard due to the fact that Aspiness is not an advantageous evolutionary trait ...communication skills is the one the most important human skills nowadays and obsession and dedication don't compensate the lack of it since many people have obsessive traits anyways, according to some surveys most aspies die single. As for the other theory saying that Aspies are already new subspecies that's total scientific error, Aspies have the same chromosome and DNA structure of the homo sapien , people with Down Syndrome or Williams Syndrome can be scientifically seen as another human subspecies because they have a slightly modified set of chromosomes than other HomoSapiens(but that's not politically correct to say so) but aspies are 100% homosapiens and can procreate with any other HomoSapien.
Stats show that aspiness is not evolutionary advantageous nor naturally selected:
| Quote: | Tantam wrote:
'the table below shows the social adjustment of 46 more able adults with autism known to have needed psychiatric help:'
No contact with a friend in last year: 70%
No sexual relationship for more than one month: 78%
Unemployed: 85%
Never Married: 98%
Resident in hospital or with parents 76% |
| Quote: | 1% according to Tantam (the dude whose criteria is in the DSM-IV-TR)
some sources say 30%
the divorce rate is over 90% in many places.
(It's well under 0% for Autism.) |
So asperger can't be a result of evolution. That's why those Evolutionist autisnobs refuse the possibility that autism might be caused by external factors because they want to believe that they are a special human subspecies.
- The Creationists' beliefs are generally amusing and funny ...the only group that can beat them in that field are the "The Creationist autisnobs" , those Creationist autisnobs are like Zionist Jews , they believe that they are mysteriously chosen by God to be created in a mysterious different way for a mysterious goal of a mysterious God's cause for the whole mankind . As like all Creationists , they say "God's ways are mysterious". I say: all this BS is a mysterious snobbish crap.
That's why those creationist autisnobs can't accept or even tolerate the possibility that their autism might be caused by any other external environmental factor because they believe that the only factor that made them so "unique" and "special" is God.
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both views seem ridiculous to me as they are both extreme. remember that there's always a lot in between and ectremists will always be a minority.
even if you happen to live in US ;p
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| rdos wrote: | | LePetitPrince wrote: | Stats show that aspiness is not evolutionary advantageous nor naturally selected:
| Quote: | Tantam wrote:
'the table below shows the social adjustment of 46 more able adults with autism known to have needed psychiatric help:'
No contact with a friend in last year: 70%
No sexual relationship for more than one month: 78%
Unemployed: 85%
Never Married: 98%
Resident in hospital or with parents 76% |
| Quote: | 1% according to Tantam (the dude whose criteria is in the DSM-IV-TR)
some sources say 30%
the divorce rate is over 90% in many places.
(It's well under 0% for Autism.) |
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Your statistics are very probably totally false.
The truth is, people doing Aspie-quiz reproduce at about the same rate as NTs. They do have higher divorce statistics, but it is far from 90%.
This just shows that if you use improper methods to create your statistics, the results will be unúsable. Only surveying a psychiatric population without looking at people with similar traits will create bogus results. |
Well ....let's see it in that way....Which would be more credible?
A full well-documents stats study done by the National Autistic Society or some stats based on an online quiz?
Sorry but I would choose the first one. |
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both views seem ridiculous to me as they are both extreme. remember that there's always a lot in between and ectremists will always be a minority.
even if you happen to live in US ;p |
both views are insanely VERY COMMON here.
No,I don't live in the US ,far from it ...I live in the zone of worst extremisms in the world. |
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | | anna-banana wrote: |
both views seem ridiculous to me as they are both extreme. remember that there's always a lot in between and ectremists will always be a minority.
even if you happen to live in US ;p |
both views are insanely VERY COMMON here.
No,I don't live in the US ,far from it ...I live in the zone of worst extremisms in the world. |
yeah this all seems unreal to me (both the fact that those views are so common here and that extremisms can get as ridiculously extreme as where you're at...)
hopefully this madness will end one day, either with the extermination of us rational thinkers or of them bloody extremists... hopefully the latter ;p
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the entire idea of being a superspecies seem so ridiculous. We should simply accept that there is no species that is perfect, and that all of them can produce individuals with lots of flaws and disabilities, why try and figure out that we were perfect in the first place???
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| Loborojo wrote: | | the entire idea of being a superspecies seem so ridiculous. We should simply accept that there is no species that is perfect, and that all of them can produce individuals with lots of flaws and disabilities, why try and figure out that we were perfect in the first place??? |
exactly, especially since even evolutionists don't claim that evolution is a progressive process, it only makes creatures better fit for the environment they happen to live in, whatever it might be.
maybe one day the surroundings are going to favour people with ASDs although I find that a bit hard to imagine...
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I'd think it would be elementary stastics that if you have 12% black balls in a basket, and pull balls thousands of times, you will end up with close to 12% black balls.
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That analogy is very faulty, but it you can't see why, then there's no point in continuing this discussion. We went through all this months ago. Have you ever taken a graduate level, or even a college level statistics class?
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| anna-banana wrote: | | Loborojo wrote: | | the entire idea of being a superspecies seem so ridiculous. We should simply accept that there is no species that is perfect, and that all of them can produce individuals with lots of flaws and disabilities, why try and figure out that we were perfect in the first place??? |
exactly, especially since even evolutionists don't claim that evolution is a progressive process, it only makes creatures better fit for the environment they happen to live in, whatever it might be.
maybe one day the surroundings are going to favour people with ASDs although I find that a bit hard to imagine... |
mmmh, I also question that Japan would be a more suitable environment for us aspies. A society so full of rules, how could we live and abide by conscripts. I already have a hard battle uphill to listen to the NT rules in the West 
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| LostInSpace wrote: | | rdos wrote: |
I'd think it would be elementary stastics that if you have 12% black balls in a basket, and pull balls thousands of times, you will end up with close to 12% black balls.
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That analogy is very faulty, but it you can't see why, then there's no point in continuing this discussion. We went through all this months ago. Have you ever taken a graduate level, or even a college level statistics class? |
Last I checked it was at the MSc level |
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | Well ....let's see it in that way....Which would be more credible?
A full well-documents stats study done by the National Autistic Society or some stats based on an online quiz?
Sorry but I would choose the first one. |
That's an easy choice. I don't believe a word about what NAS has to say. They are just pushing their own agenda. |
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