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slowmutant
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| Just Say No. |
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oli234
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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O.k I used to do ecstasy quite a lot and wouldn't rule out doing it again in the future...........I kinda liked it.
I was actually talking to a fellow aspie about this not so long ago. We didn't really talk about empathy because I don't think it affects you're ability to empathize one way or another. What it does do is make people sort of slip out of that social mask they always where........so it might increase someones willingness to try and empathize with another person.
It was originally used therapeutically by marriage counselors to try and get couples to communicate properly with each other.
Also because it makes people slip out of that social mask it's kind of like they become aspies for a little while. Not too bothered about what other people think or complying to social norms. Unfortunately it wears off and they go back to their normal selves.
Having said all that any drug in too great a quantity will have a negative impact on you're life. All things in moderation |
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AngryReptileKeeper
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Location: St. Louis, MO
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | Ecstasy is a dangerous narcotic. It's not exactly an over-the-counter product, now is it?
The FDA and its Canadian counterpart would discourage the use of E for recreational and medicinal purposes. If it's classified as a narcotic or controlled substance by the government, it's hazardous. Given all the pharma I'm already on, one hit of E would probably kill me or mess me up real bad, damage my brain. |
Just because the government or your doctor says it's good/bad, or just because it's sold over the counter doesn't mean it's safe/unsafe. 
So by your logic, marijuana is dangerous, but cigarettes and alcohol are okay? Let me tell you right now, that marijuana has never hurt, let alone killed, anyone.
I also suppose that you should go drink some of the stuff under the sink since it's not a controlled/classified substance? It must be safe, right?
It's not MDMA that's inherently dangerous. It's all the other crap they mix it with. You don't know what's in your pill when you get it.
And of course, overuse of anything is not good.
It sure would be refreshing to see someone actually research their claims about drugs they obviously know nothing about before they go spouting copious amounts of BS. Not only that, but the government has no place telling people what they should or should not put in their bodies. If I want to take mushrooms, drink vodka and smoke a joint while shooting up heroin, by god, I have every right to. The combo could well be fatal depending on the dosage of booze and heroin, but that's my business, now isn't it?
When are people going to wake up to the fact that the drug war is a miserable, shameful failure, and that the government's drug legislation is just an effort to control the people?
By and large, psychoactive drugs are not compatible with society as we know it. It causes people to think too much. Drug legislation is sort of a message that says, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". Go back to sleep, America. Your government is in control. |
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oli234
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Well said AngryReptileKeeper |
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NicholasGray
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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The Showtime series Huff actually had an episode built around the MDMA therapy. It's just a TV show, so it hardly qualifies as a serious study or anything. But they did a nice job talking through the pros/cons of therapeutic drug use, especially with ecstacy.
Side Note: In another episode they show a psychologist doing EEG Neurofeedback with an autistic client. Seems like they were rather keenly aware of the newer ASD therapies in particular, even though they never dealt with an overtly ASD character. Odd. |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Ecstsasy would be a widely used therapetic agent IF its effects weren't dangerous and unpredictable. Which they are. |
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silentbob15
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Stop hyperventilating. In fifteen years of use by millions of people, Ecstasy hasn't killed a single user |
Where did you get that retarded jem of knowledge, it has killed 100's of people, one
member here lost a friend to E back in the summer, pull your head out of your ass,
and stop smoking crack fool. |
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paladin
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Ecstacy causes most (i.e. weeks worth of) of the serotonin stored in the synapses to be released within a few hours to neurons in the cortex. I have seen pictures of the cortex of primates given ecstacy, and they are very scary. Basically many serotonergic neurons are killed off after the high. I just wish I had a copy of the image to post here, but it is clear that there is a significant decrease in cortical innervation.
Long term consequences are a permenant decrease in the amount of serotonin output. As aspies, we already have enough problems with depression, and don't need the neurotoxicity of this drug to make things worse. |
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slowmutant
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No one does.
Dope is for dopes, kids! |
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NextFact
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| i have done ecstacy a few different times and it does help you empathize alot and overall socialize REALLY well, i felt like i connected with my friends on a whole different level while i was on it. but i quit it because it was so expensive $10 a pill. |
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Sciatrix
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Well, ah. I actually wrote a paper on ecstasy's effects on the brain a while ago, and as a result on that I can pretty confidently say that I'd never let the stuff near my brain. Ecstasy works by flooding your brain with all the dopamine currently in your system, which feels really, really good--after all, dopamine functions by stimulating the brain's "pleasure" centers. The trouble is, that dopamine was "intended" by your body to last for a much longer period of time, which causes the low when the ecstasy wears off; your brain is suffering from the effects of dopamine withdrawal. With repeated use, your dopamine levels get really screwed up, and in addition, you lose a lot of your sensitivity to dopamine. That can cause serious depression--imagine not ever being able to feel pleasure as much as you can now again!
So yeah, I'd steer very clear of any psych offering me that sort of drug. It's dangerous over the long term to the balance of your brain's neurochemistry, even if it isn't necessarily dangerous to your physical health. |
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archdude
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Icheb wrote: | This is a silly argument. So if I slip on a rug and break my neck, that means rugs kill people? If I get so caught up in playing WoW I don't notice my house is burning, it means WoW kills people?
And let's not forget to outlaw beds: After all, most people die in their beds, don't they? |
Nice strawmen. |
Not at all. That's a perfect analogy for prohibition of drugs or anything else. Misuse is what kills. People who use whatever item or engage in whatever activity responsibly don't need to be protected from themselves. We certainly don't need government agents pointing guns at our heads to tell us what is for our own good (government agents pointing guns at your head telling you "do this" and "don't do that" are in essence what all laws are; in some cases its justified - pointing a gun at someone's head to to stop them from murdering or raping is fine - in most cases, however, the threat of violence a law implies is not justified.)
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PhR33kY
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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But in the end you still killed someone.
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archdude
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| PhR33kY wrote: | | But in the end you still killed someone. |
Who killed someone, the drug users who killed themselves? If they put someone else's life in danger, such as by driving under the influence, then the state can threaten to kill them (remember law = death threat). If they only put their own lives in danger I see the state threatening them as counterproductive. |
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't trust a drug that floods my brain with Dopamine. |
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