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| Capital punishment? |
| I'm for capital punishment, and I'm from a country where it's used |
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5% |
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| I'm against capital punishment, and I'm from a country where it's used |
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28% |
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| I'm against capital punishment, and I'm from a country where it's not used |
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28% |
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| Not sure / don't care |
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Reodor_Felgen
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| Kaylee wrote: | | Prison to some people is home. Literally they call it home and some people don't like it when they leave so the threat of life imprisonment isn't going to deter all people. |
Both Ted Bundy and Richard Kuklinski covered up their crimes -- and knew what could happen if they got caught. The capital punishment doesn't "scare" anyone from commiting a murder. Compare the scandinavian murder rate with the american and see for yourself. The last people to be executed in Norway were Vidkun Quissling (dictator of Norway from 1940 to 1945) and his henchmen.
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | People in maximum security prisons don't commit murder either. |
People are murdered in prison quite frequently. Murders serving life without parole have nothing to loose.
Anyway...I have mixed feelings on this topic. I think there are people who deserve to die. However, I would never be chosen as a jury member for a death penalty trial because I would never cast such judgement. It is simply not my place. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | That capital punishment as a deterrent is a proven fact - dead people don't commit murder. |
People in maximum security prisons don't commit murder either. By not using capital punishment, we avoid sinking down to the same level as the murderer. Besides, an execution in The States is four times as expensive as life in prison. |
It's expensive because of all the appeals and the ceremonial aspect of the execution itself.
A single bullet is both quicker and less expensive, no matter what country you're from.
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Reodor_Felgen
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | That capital punishment as a deterrent is a proven fact - dead people don't commit murder. |
People in maximum security prisons don't commit murder either. By not using capital punishment, we avoid sinking down to the same level as the murderer. Besides, an execution in The States is four times as expensive as life in prison. |
It's expensive because of all the appeals and the ceremonial aspect of the execution itself.
A single bullet is both quicker and less expensive, no matter what country you're from. |
A single bullet is less humane as well, no matter what country you're from.
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Reodor_Felgen
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| claire333 wrote: | | People are murdered in prison quite frequently. Murders serving life without parole have nothing to loose. |
In maximum security prisons, murders aren't "common" -- not even in the USA, which has 1/3 billion inhabitants. It's been years since someone was murdered in a scandinavian, british or german prison, by the way.
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Fnord
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | That capital punishment as a deterrent is a proven fact - dead people don't commit murder. |
People in maximum security prisons don't commit murder either. By not using capital punishment, we avoid sinking down to the same level as the murderer. Besides, an execution in The States is four times as expensive as life in prison. |
It's expensive because of all the appeals and the ceremonial aspect of the execution itself.
A single bullet is both quicker and less expensive, no matter what country you're from. |
A single bullet is less humane as well, no matter what country you're from. |
How so? No one who's ever had their brain stem turned to smoking mush has ever complained of the pain. Nor has anyone ever executed by decapitation.
No brain, no pain, humane!
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Reodor_Felgen
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | That capital punishment as a deterrent is a proven fact - dead people don't commit murder. |
People in maximum security prisons don't commit murder either. By not using capital punishment, we avoid sinking down to the same level as the murderer. Besides, an execution in The States is four times as expensive as life in prison. |
It's expensive because of all the appeals and the ceremonial aspect of the execution itself.
A single bullet is both quicker and less expensive, no matter what country you're from. |
A single bullet is less humane as well, no matter what country you're from. |
How so? No one who's ever had their brain stem turned to smoking mush has ever complained of the pain. Nor has anyone ever executed by decapitation.
No brain, no pain, humane! |
Killing someone isn't humane, regardless of how little pain they feel.
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | That capital punishment as a deterrent is a proven fact - dead people don't commit murder. |
People in maximum security prisons don't commit murder either. By not using capital punishment, we avoid sinking down to the same level as the murderer. Besides, an execution in The States is four times as expensive as life in prison. |
It's expensive because of all the appeals and the ceremonial aspect of the execution itself.
A single bullet is both quicker and less expensive, no matter what country you're from. |
A single bullet is less humane as well, no matter what country you're from. |
How so? No one who's ever had their brain stem turned to smoking mush has ever complained of the pain. Nor has anyone ever executed by decapitation.
No brain, no pain, humane! |
Killing someone isn't humane, regardless of how little pain they feel. |
Forcing the victim's family and friends to pick up the tab (through their taxes) for keeping a murderer in prison for 20 or 30 years isn't all that great, either.
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Reodor_Felgen
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| Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | That capital punishment as a deterrent is a proven fact - dead people don't commit murder. |
People in maximum security prisons don't commit murder either. By not using capital punishment, we avoid sinking down to the same level as the murderer. Besides, an execution in The States is four times as expensive as life in prison. |
It's expensive because of all the appeals and the ceremonial aspect of the execution itself.
A single bullet is both quicker and less expensive, no matter what country you're from. |
A single bullet is less humane as well, no matter what country you're from. |
How so? No one who's ever had their brain stem turned to smoking mush has ever complained of the pain. Nor has anyone ever executed by decapitation.
No brain, no pain, humane! |
Killing someone isn't humane, regardless of how little pain they feel. |
Forcing the victim's family and friends to pick up the tab (through their taxes) for keeping a murderer in prison for 20 or 30 years isn't all that great, either. |
Using the people's tax money to commit murder isn't the right thing to do, either. Penn & Teller did a great episode where they debunked all the bullshit about the death penalty.
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mikebw
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | That capital punishment as a deterrent is a proven fact - dead people don't commit murder. |
People in maximum security prisons don't commit murder either. By not using capital punishment, we avoid sinking down to the same level as the murderer. Besides, an execution in The States is four times as expensive as life in prison. |
It's expensive because of all the appeals and the ceremonial aspect of the execution itself.
A single bullet is both quicker and less expensive, no matter what country you're from. |
A single bullet is less humane as well, no matter what country you're from. |
How so? No one who's ever had their brain stem turned to smoking mush has ever complained of the pain. Nor has anyone ever executed by decapitation.
No brain, no pain, humane! |
Killing someone isn't humane, regardless of how little pain they feel. |
Locking them up isn't humane. Subjecting them to a life of rape or be raped, fighting and shanking each other to prove their manhood to their fellow gang members is more humane than a quick death how?
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Haliphron
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Your views on capital punishment? |
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | Capital punishment doesn't work -- which is why Texas has twice the murder rate of Wisconsin and The States have twice the murder rate of the United Kingdom. A murderer locked inside a maximum security prison for the rest of his life can't kill anyone. |
What evidence do you have that demonstrates that Texas murder rate being twice that of Wisconsin's is entirely, or primarily caused by Texas having captial punishment??? Why doesnt it work? But I have to say, I honestly think that capital punishment in the US is waaaay to expensive. Particularly the cost of inmate appeals and the lenghty duration of inmates stays on death row before they're executed. A good example of this is Scott Peterson in california. Furthermore I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE spending taxpayer dollars to keep murderers like Scott Peterson and Joseph Edward Duncan III in *protective custody* where ohter inmates cant *get* to them!  Think of how much money and effort would be saved by letting these guys experience "jailhouse justice"-i.e.: getting murdered by fellow inmates  . Thats how we disposed of Jeffrey Dahmer and that was a good example to follow. I really could care less if we are sinking to the same *level* as the murderer! These people need to get what they deserve and be eliminated. Period. |
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alba
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Capital punishment should never be used in cases of less than 100% certainty.
Nope 99.9% isn't good enough. There needs to be a minimum of 4 eye witnesses and a DNA match....well at least the DNA match.
i really hate capital punishment, even for the guilty. But when your criminal justice system is as flawed as ours is, you know a lot of innocent people are being executed just so the victim's family can have revenge. What a crock. Very few of them even care if the person being executed could possibly be innocent. |
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Orwell
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| NocturnalQuilter wrote: | Capital punishment isn't so much a "deterrent" as it is a tool of justice for the survivors of extremely violent crimes.
Frankly, I think we should use it WAY more and for a lot less serious crimes.
Sure would solve the over-crowding issue. |
If you want to use capital punishment as population control, you are a severely disturbed individual.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I am solidly opposed to the death penalty. It is an aberration of justice. |
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