hartzofspace
Red Dragon
Joined: Apr 15, 2005
Posts: 7577
Location: On the Road Less Traveled
|
 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: Fantastic Article about Autism and Astrology! |
 |
|
I found this astrologer's p.o.v about the rise in Autism to be quite intriguing:
The recent death of John Travolta's son Jett has brought the discussion of autism back into the news. It has long been rumored that Jett was autistic and John Travolta's brother Joey, founder of the organization Actors for Autism, had long argued the case. However, autism is not recognized by the Church of Scientology of which the Travoltas are members, so Jett was never tested for autism and therefore not diagnosed and treated.
I am certainly sympathetic to the Travolta's desire to keep their child free of psychiatric drugs, and I have long believed that the autism phenomenon, rather than a disorder to be treated, marks a significant shift in genetic patterning of the human race. The statistics are staggering: 1 in 150 American children are now diagnosed to be somewhere on the autism spectrum. (more)
http://blog.beliefnet.com/astrologicalmusings/2009/01/autism-the-astrological-connec.html
_________________
Dreams are renewable. No matter what our age or condition, there are still untapped possibilities within us and new beauty waiting to be born.
-- Dr. Dale Turner |
|
| Back to top |
|
pensieve
President of Gallifrey
Joined: Nov 19, 2008
Age: 27
Posts: 7447
Location: Sydney, Australia
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
| I barely know anything about astrology but that was an interesting read. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Fnord
Enigmatic Threadkilling Metasyntactic Variable
Joined: May 07, 2008
Posts: 17810
Location: Stendec
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
Astrology is nonsense.
_________________
* Believing in myths allows the comfort of having an opinion without the discomfort of having to think.
* Believing that you're worthless allows the comfort of having something to complain about without the discomfort of having to change. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Rain_Bird
Deinonychus
Joined: Mar 19, 2007
Age: 23
Posts: 391
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Too bad most aspies are too logical to believe in astrology... |
|
| Back to top |
|
ike
Phoenix
Joined: Aug 10, 2007
Age: 38
Posts: 693
Location: Boston, MA
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Dark_Red_Beloved
Toucan
Joined: Mar 28, 2006
Posts: 266
Location: Southeast Wisconsin
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
Whether astrology is logical or no, there are alot of people out there looking for answers to spiritual things--and answers about autism. From articles like these it's possible to glean bits of information about public perception of the spectrum.Besides the usual consider the source,speculating who the audience might be etc, here's what I've gathered from it:
*there are some elements of truth- | Autism:The Astrological Connection wrote: | | The term "autism" was first used in its modern sense in 1943 by a child psychiatrist named Leo Kanner at Johns Hopkins Institute, and one year later by Hans Asperger in Vienna. |
*there is also a lot of um..."interesting" aspects to it as well- | Autism:The Astrological Connection wrote: | | During this time Saturn and Uranus had both just entered and conjoined in Gemini, the sign that rules communication and the mental process. |
* there is a much more positive attitude about people on the spectrum than I've seen in many more scientific articles- | Autism:The Astrological Connection wrote: | | If the autism rate continues to increase beyond the current rate of 1 in 150, we will need to change our thinking about what we are now calling a psychiatric disorder and expand our minds... |
Anyway,for what it's worth there may be something useful there even if one doesn't ascribe to astrology. |
|
| Back to top |
|
pensieve
President of Gallifrey
Joined: Nov 19, 2008
Age: 27
Posts: 7447
Location: Sydney, Australia
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | Despite this early discovery of the autism phenomenon, it wasn't until 1985-1987 that the autism rate began to increase dramatically. During this time, Saturn and Uranus were conjunct in Sagittarius and both planets were opposed by Chiron, the wounded healer, which was in Gemini at the time. |
Raise your hand if you were born around that time.
*Raises hand* |
|
| Back to top |
|
hartzofspace
Red Dragon
Joined: Apr 15, 2005
Posts: 7577
Location: On the Road Less Traveled
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Dark_Red_Beloved wrote: | Whether astrology is logical or no, there are alot of people out there looking for answers to spiritual things--and answers about autism. From articles like these it's possible to glean bits of information about public perception of the spectrum.Besides the usual consider the source,speculating who the audience might be etc, here's what I've gathered from it:
*there are some elements of truth- | Autism:The Astrological Connection wrote: | | The term "autism" was first used in its modern sense in 1943 by a child psychiatrist named Leo Kanner at Johns Hopkins Institute, and one year later by Hans Asperger in Vienna. |
*there is also a lot of um..."interesting" aspects to it as well- | Autism:The Astrological Connection wrote: | | During this time Saturn and Uranus had both just entered and conjoined in Gemini, the sign that rules communication and the mental process. |
* there is a much more positive attitude about people on the spectrum than I've seen in many more scientific articles- | Autism:The Astrological Connection wrote: | | If the autism rate continues to increase beyond the current rate of 1 in 150, we will need to change our thinking about what we are now calling a psychiatric disorder and expand our minds... |
Anyway,for what it's worth there may be something useful there even if one doesn't ascribe to astrology. |
You echo my sentiments, exactly. While I don't profess to "believe" in astrology, what stood out here was a more open minded and sympathetic attitude towards those of us on the spectrum. I would rather that, than still another article from the curbies. And, I have read posts from others on WP, speculating about what the current trend of rising autism rates, could mean in the genetic evolution of mankind.
_________________
Dreams are renewable. No matter what our age or condition, there are still untapped possibilities within us and new beauty waiting to be born.
-- Dr. Dale Turner |
|
| Back to top |
|
ike
Phoenix
Joined: Aug 10, 2007
Age: 38
Posts: 693
Location: Boston, MA
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
| hartzofspace wrote: | | You echo my sentiments, exactly. While I don't profess to "believe" in astrology, what stood out here was a more open minded and sympathetic attitude towards those of us on the spectrum. I would rather that, than still another article from the curbies. And, I have read posts from others on WP, speculating about what the current trend of rising autism rates, could mean in the genetic evolution of mankind. |
From a purely scientific perspective there's kind of a problem with describing anything as "the next step" in the evolution of anything really... There are a couple of reasons for this, but the biggest issue is that evolution is non-linear. There are essentially evolutionary differences between caucasians, asians and africans. So which of them is the "next step"? You can't really answer that question without resorting to racism -- but -- it doesn't really matter anyway, because evolutionary trends in all of these populations have occurred concurrently. One trend may have started before another, but the timeline for the trends overlap.
But even when evolution results in a new species that receives its own genus, there's no guarantee that other species won't evolve from the same ancestor, and the further you follow the chain back toward the beginning of life on earth actually the more likely it is that multiple species will have evolved from a single common ancestor. It may be much less likely that multiple species will result from the evolution of humans, but that doesn't make it impossible.
And finally that barring explanations of a spiritual nature (like astrology or religion), the causal relationship for evolution is the reverse of a relationship that would imply a "next step"... i.e. that the phrase "next step" implies "intelligent design" by way of there being a plan to take that next step. Scientists largely disagree that this is the case and maintain instead that what happens with evolution is the reverse, that there is no plan, just a lot of random "meandering" mutations, some of which survive (if they're "fit") while others don't. It's possible that in the past autistics might not have survived as often as a result of less forgiving physical environments (i.e. lack of modern technology) and so this mutation which was previously "not fit" for survival is now able to survive due to the comforts of modern life.
This is of course all from a purely scientific perspective on evolution theory.
_________________
Are you a HooLiGaN?
http://www.woohooligan.com/archive.php?a=wp |
|
| Back to top |
|
ouinon
chemical reaction
Joined: Jul 11, 2007
Posts: 6395
Location: Europe
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
One huge problem with this article is the assumption that the numbers of AS are growing.
I think that it is changes in society which have made more and more AS visible by disabling us with increased noise, chemicals, speed/time-pressures, multi-tasking in many jobs, high rate of change in most areas of life, less security/stability in careers, and far more social and business contact with strangers, etc etc etc.
However that does not invalidate any astrological correspondences drawn. After all the oppositions, conjunctions, etc, could be reflecting just such a change and the increasing visibility/disability of AS in our society as a result.
. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Mage
Phoenix
Joined: Oct 11, 2006
Posts: 1290
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Articles like this are what makes the general public believe ASDs are just made up to get attention or excuses for undisciplined children. |
|
| Back to top |
|
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo
Rasta is about freedom and the living God
![]()
Joined: Jun 19, 2008
Posts: 7998
Location: Babylon
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
I don't know about Aspies being too logical for astrology. It can be a special interest and those defy logic, no?
_________________
JUST LET THE GUY BE FROM K PAX!!!!!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
Warsie
Lolicon Black Nationalist
Joined: Apr 04, 2008
Age: 22
Posts: 2895
Location: Chicago, IL, USA
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Mage wrote: | | Articles like this are what makes the general public believe ASDs are just made up to get attention or excuses for undisciplined children. |
huh? no 
How so?
_________________
I am a Star Wars Fan, Warsie here.
Masterdebating on chi-city's south side.......!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
MONKEY
Sunshine Groovetrip
Joined: Jan 04, 2009
Age: 20
Posts: 9775
Location: Stoke, England (sometimes :P)
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I liked that article, even though I don't believe in astrology.
_________________
The butterfly, the tiger, just another shadow in the stone
Flamingo future dinosaur underneath the urban sun |
|
| Back to top |
|
hartzofspace
Red Dragon
Joined: Apr 15, 2005
Posts: 7577
Location: On the Road Less Traveled
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ouinon wrote: | | One huge problem with this article is the assumption that the numbers of AS are growing. |
I agree that there isn't any "rise" in AS. It's just the way things are viewed, in our increased ability to access news from around the world. I have always found it annoying that autism and AS are being cited as a mysterious epidemic of some kind.
| ouinon wrote: | | I think that it is changes in society which have made more and more AS visible by disabling us with increased noise, chemicals, speed/time-pressures, multi-tasking in many jobs, high rate of change in most areas of life, less security/stability in careers, and far more social and business contact with strangers, etc etc etc. |
QFT
| ouinon wrote: | | However that does not invalidate any astrological correspondences drawn. After all the oppositions, conjunctions, etc, could be reflecting just such a change and the increasing visibility/disability of AS in our society as a result.. |
I feel that astrology can serve a sort of barometer of current trends in society.
_________________
Dreams are renewable. No matter what our age or condition, there are still untapped possibilities within us and new beauty waiting to be born.
-- Dr. Dale Turner |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
