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Tequila
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 Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: UK: Baa baa rainbow sheep...? |
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| Quote: | Why black sheep are barred and Humpty can't be cracked
TRADITIONAL nursery rhymes are being rewritten at nursery schools to avoid causing offence to children.
Instead of singing “Baa baa, black sheep” as generations of children have learnt to do, toddlers in Oxfordshire are being taught to sing “Baa baa, rainbow sheep”.
The move, which critics will seize on as an example of political correctness, was made after the nurseries decided to re-evaluate their approach to equal opportunities. |
This sort of thing is a disgrace.
Let's have a look at the original nursery rhyme, shall we?
Baa, baa, black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three bags full.
One for the master,
One for the dame,
And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.
Baa, baa, black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three bags full.
Please help me find the racism and xenophobia in these words, because I'm damned if I can see them.
The 'diversity' industry is creating this dangerous nonsense and I suspect real ethnic minority people are not consulted on the vast majority of these ridiculous moves.
Meanwhile, most real racists will simply carry on with almost no chance of being identified by these mindless cretins. |
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Laz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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We have alot of these in British culture, fundamentally the racism is actually very suttle because its just a reflection of the times. Nursery rhymes you never really look deeply into as a child but alot of them are quite messed up in some way or another.
Ring around a roses is about people dying from the black death 
And the one you've picked is, i imagine, a referance to the use of black slave labour in cotton farms of southern america and the sugar cane farms of the carribean. Which doesn't make sense when its talking about wool but either way that is actually its point of origin.
I have an encycolpedia for kids from the 1930's and my goodness its amazing the kind of content thats in it. Even the most anti-PC of us would find it a very alien book to read. Infact when I next go home in april I will have to pick it up so I can quote from it. It really gives you a good reflection of the racist attitude of people at the time towards the conquered subjects of the British Empire and its within the last 100 years.
I pciked it up from a pub in Great Yarmouth just purely out of coincidence and i think its a fascinating insight into issues that your raising because you see the origins of some of our culture has a very dodgy past |
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Laz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The 'diversity' industry is creating this dangerous nonsense and I suspect real ethnic minority people are not consulted on the vast majority of these ridiculous moves |
Like the word Chav. Never consulted the travelling/gypsy community of this country if they were offended by this word, when the community found out about it they found it very funny and confusing that so much offense was generated over a word that means boy in romani. |
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Emettman
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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No, all uses of "Black" should not be "blacked" just because of some fancied slight.
Doubly so when it is illusory.
Similarly the move to change the name of Market Jew Street in Penzance, because of the supposed racial slight. That the name has nothing to do with the Jewish race at all, but is derived from the Cornish "Marghasyou" meaning Thursday market, has not really disarmed those so inclined.
Trouble is, are people prepared to wait and check for reality, or will they fire up, and off, at mere perceptions?
And yes, you don't have to go far to find real racism and prejudice in say, Bulldog Drummond, or the early Rupert books. But that doesn't mean you have to see it where it isn't.
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vetivert
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i agree. and it infuriates me, because it lumps real anti-racist (etc.) work in with this sort of hysterical, PC bullshit, and devalues it.
interesting book there, though, laz - care to give the details? |
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Laz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Haven't got it on me
Its basically a teenagers encyclopedia printed in the 1930's covers quite lot, history, british empire, bilogy, science, history. Its hard to describe but the way it is written is so vulgar and blunt/un-pc that i find it quite amusing. There is racist content in it, theres quite dodgy politics in it as well. It just reflects the times really. Rise of the nazi's, great depression and the aftermath of world war 1. |
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Laz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Have any of you been on the recieving end of racist attacks out of curiosity? |
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vetivert
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Laz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Same here sadly |
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Data
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I always thought that the rhyme mentions black sheep because in a normal flock of English white sheep, there is the occasional completely black sheep. I used to love watching new lambs in the fields round my home to see if any black ones were born. I can't understand why they would want to change the rhyme to a colour that isn't found in sheep. If some overly politically correct pen pushers think, wrongly, that anyone is offended by 'black' sheep, why not change it to 'white' sheep? A few years ago a council wanted to change it to 'green' sheep. Crazy  |
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parts
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| Quote: | | “Baa baa, rainbow sheep”. |
What is a rainbow sheep? I've seen black ones but rainbow. Europeans complian about Geneticly altered food but want geneticly modified sheep? 
| Quote: | | i agree. and it infuriates me, because it lumps real anti-racist (etc.) work in with this sort of hysterical, PC bull****, and devalues it. |
I agree with vetivert on this |
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Laz
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baa baa hippy beatnick sheep have you any dope?
yes mon yes mon 3 blocks full mon
one for the godfather
one for ma be'yatch
And one for ma dealer who lives down the lane |
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Fiz
The Outspoken
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| Laz wrote: | baa baa hippy beatnick sheep have you any dope?
yes mon yes mon 3 blocks full mon
one for the godfather
one for ma be'yatch
And one for ma dealer who lives down the lane |
I really look forward to you posting sometimes Laz, this was good |
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