Aspen
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| hale_bopp wrote: | | keep your intensity crap over there because noone here cares. |
That is a mean thing to say to SB2, even though jman said a mean thing about you over there.
This is very interesting:
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From John Milton's Areopagitica:
...But if it be agreed we shall be tried by visions, there is a vision recorded by Eusebius, far ancienter than this tale of Jerome, to the nun Eustochium, and, besides, has nothing of a fever in it. Dionysius Alexandrinus was about the year 240 a person of great name in the Church for piety and learning, who had wont to avail himself much against heretics by being conversant in their books; until a certain presbyter laid it scrupulously to his conscience, how he durst venture himself among those defiling volumes. The worthy man, loath to give offence, fell into a new debate with himself what was to be thought; when suddenly a vision sent from God (it is his own epistle that so avers it) confirmed him in these words: Read any books whatever come to thy hands, for thou art sufficient both to judge aright and to examine each matter. To this revelation he assented the sooner, as he confesses, because it was answerable to that of the Apostle to the Thessalonians, Prove all things, hold fast that which is good. And he might have added another remarkable saying of the same author: To the pure, all things are pure; not only meats and drinks, but all kind of knowledge whether of good or evil; the knowledge cannot defile, nor consequently the books, if the will and conscience be not defiled...
...Seeing, therefore, that those books, and those in great abundance, which are likeliest to taint both life and doctrine, cannot be suppressed without the fall of learning and of all ability in disputation, and that these books of either sort are most and soonest catching to the learned, from whom to the common people whatever is heretical or dissolute may quickly be conveyed, and that evil manners are as perfectly learnt without books a thousand other ways which cannot be stopped, and evil doctrine not with books can propagate, except a teacher guide, which he might also do without writing, and so beyond prohibiting, I am not able to unfold, how this cautelous enterprise of licensing can be exempted from the number of vain and impossible attempts. And he who were pleasantly disposed could not well avoid to liken it to the exploit of that gallant man who thought to pound up the crows by shutting his park gate...
...They are not skilful considerers of human things, who imagine to remove sin by removing the matter of sin; for, besides that it is a huge heap increasing under the very act of diminishing, though some part of it may for a time be withdrawn from some persons, it cannot from all, in such a universal thing as books are; and when this is done, yet the sin remains entire...
...And were I the chooser, a dream of well-doing should be preferred before many times as much the forcible hindrance of evil- doing. For God sure esteems the growth and completing of one virtuous person more than the restraint of ten vicious...
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Postperson
The Daughter of Indifference
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a supporter of intensity. It seems that people want us to have an independent site though, Neuroman finds Intensity embarrasing, like that embarrasing relative everyone complains about. I think there are some very bogus notions of good/bad being thrown at intensity (not referring to SB's), but then people often conflate middle-class values with 'good'.
I can contribute financially to an independent site.
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kevv729
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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I am more than willing to give whatever financial support to this indepentant site as well too.
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DivaD
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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i'm working on something. give me a day or so. i have some web hosting that i wasn't using. setting up a board is bloody complicated! i'm a diva not a nerd 
it might not be what you want but then again it might.... i can only try  |
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vetivert
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SB2/McJ - i'll respond to what you and others have said about me when people have stopped deciding that they can read my mind.
there seems little point in saying anything whilst people have already been judge, jury and executioner.
and i'd prefer to keep the discussion in one place - spreading it all over different sites seems daft. as it's not really germane to WP, i'll respond elsewhere. |
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Lupine_Ragdoll
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Sorry if I sound like a pain here or if I'm posting out of place, but could anyone here please explain to me what is going on in this thread? It doesn't have to be a full translation btw, just a quick explaination would be cool. I hope I don't sound stupid or anything saying this, but the way the bigger posts are worded just confuses me, I'm afraid I can't understand any of it!  (Again, sorry if I sound like a pain here, and I don't mean to intrude on anyone else's business here, I'm just feeling slightly confused by all this!)
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SB2
The Tufted Titmouse that could
Joined: Nov 23, 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| vetivert wrote: | SB2/McJ - i'll respond to what you and others have said about me when people have stopped deciding that they can read my mind.
there seems little point in saying anything whilst people have already been judge, jury and executioner.
and i'd prefer to keep the discussion in one place - spreading it all over different sites seems daft. as it's not really germane to WP, i'll respond elsewhere. |
maybe i am mistaken.
i thought i said you were a kind and caring person, a champion fro the disenfranchised.
whats not to respect about that. i also stated that i was happy about being on you team.
maybe i mispoke, i can be wrong.
maybe your post was just a slip. sigmund anyone?
perhaps it is just a manifistation of a guilty conscience. i wouldn't know. i cannot read you mind. but you know whats going on inside your cranium. perhaps your slip and guilty revelations are all too telling.
you'll have to answer that i am not a clinician.
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BeeBee
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Lupine_Ragdoll wrote: | | Sorry if I sound like a pain here or if I'm posting out of place, but could anyone here please explain to me what is going on in this thread? It doesn't have to be a full translation btw, just a quick explaination would be cool. I hope I don't sound stupid or anything saying this, but the way the bigger posts are worded just confuses me, I'm afraid I can't understand any of it! (Again, sorry if I sound like a pain here, and I don't mean to intrude on anyone else's business here, I'm just feeling slightly confused by all this!) |
Its a fight between the mods/admins of another Autism focused board.
I don't think it belongs on WP.
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AbominableSnoCone
Cybernetic Vampiric Werewolf Ninja
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: |
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If people want to keep it all in one place it is worth mentioning that Dunc has volunteered his forum as a place to discuss the whole Intensity issue. Thats probably the best place for it.
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For the time being we will keep this thread unlocked...
Note: URL Snipped. URLs to other Asperger's sites are only permitted in the members only forum. |
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SB2
The Tufted Titmouse that could
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yes i can tell you whats going on.
Vivi was #2 person here on WP. she got axed for bullying people into conforming to her euro liberal views, according to WP sites developer and owner of Wrong Planet Media.
meanwhile.
several months ago myself and neuroman had at length discussions about an AS community which was cetralized around the notion of Unity. standing to have our voices heard, and creating an agenda which promotes betterment and equality, a greater good for people with AS.
these discussions happened via PM through this website and also another website called simple complexities. whos owner is a memer here, login name sc, a real AS advocate, whom i admire.
one day, i open a pm from neuroman (mid Jan, 2006) and there is a link. what i found was the original neurolands forum. it was told to me that he had been working on it for about a week, it was a surprise for me. "now," he says, "we can work on our dream." and we talked. then he asked me to assemble a team of people who could help us to assemble the thoughts and organize them and subsequently, build the dream.
First i contacted someone who i viewed as outspoken and hard working. she is no longer with us. i also contacted hermit, and a few others, but they did not reply quick enough and we were well under way. I wish i had noticed but the fourth founding member is en una lisa. she was recruited by the lady who is no longer with us. and what a find too.
Each person worked hard did their parts and helped conceptualize a plan. and it was always stated that, we are all equals, as an example of unity. no person in the founding group is to be put above another. no major changes are made without concensus from the five (now four).
things were going smoothly and still were up until a few days ago.
when apparantly, some uncounted millions (because i never heard from them, they didn't make their voices heard, except, mysteriously to vivi, now the story is to neuroman) objected to intensity.
mind you.
intensity is a villiage within the neurolands community, where the rules are very lax and freedom of speech is encouraged. and it was the fastest growing AS site ever, for such a short duration of its existence.
anyways on with the downfall of a dream, and the corruption of power and a euro liberal agenda.
three days ago, after much debate (most of the voices came from people who supported intensity, by far.) a mysterious hacker did their evil deed on intensity and neurolands.
this next part is interesting so pay attention.
one day prior, intensity was taken off the neurolands portal. shima suggested in the founders forum that she was concerned that it might be susceptible to a hacker, WP was hacked one day before. someone got an idea from these events.
But alas, the neurolands was saved, easily enough. but intensity was drained, lost it all. or so it would seem. i got lucky, i was able to skip the page which redirected you to Vivi's site (which you could call anti intensity, where even mention of intensity is a violation of the TOS, [dead serious])...
i was able to skip that page thanks to a lone pm notification. luck of all luck. it still said the board was unavailable, but i was able to get inside the administration panel.
what did i find?
there was a mysterious guest in the same panel for a long period of time, when i traced the IP address, it originated in the UK. thats very interesting. i don't know who it is.
also, when i went to the configuration portion of the administration panel, i noticed that the board was disabled manually. the check box which made it possible for administrators to access the administration panel but users were closed out completely. interesting.
i went to the founders forum and made note of my findings, always truthful always trusting. but the next time i tried to access the administration panel, i could not.
now we are up to the point of yesterday.
i was told that i had to debate vivi and a panel of 12 would decide who's points were worthy of inclusion in the new intensity. remember, this is mine, i am a founder, i have worked my ass off from the beginning, and i hold all artistic license on the whole concept. which was 1000 times more poplular than Vivi and neuromans ramoth harbor.
currently they have about 200 articles but are threatening to dump all the intensity discussion, they will be at or near 10 articles after they follow through with their threat. their membership is about 25, practically all of them registered within the past 2 days after having been directed there, forceably.
what you see above in the original post is the discussion which took place in the hidden arena forum. this BTW was not made public knowledge (by me), until after neuroman made a unilateral decision to refuse to reopen intensity. remember, all major decisions were to be voted on equally. and he is ordering shima around, commanding, "lock this thread, send people here."
like she is some peon and he is corporate america. she deserves way more respect than that. she has worked too hard. maybe he doesn't really respect women. the other founder left, she thought neuroman slighted her, often. Shimma deserves way more dignity than to be ordered, (that was on a personal note).
you see, we have a contract. when we were all promised equality for making this a realization. yes neuroman spent the money, which is equivelant to one nights wages for me. we all worked hard and did our part. we were promised equality and a vote. we upheld our end of the agreement, neuroman making unilateral decissions is in breach of contract.
touche
he does not have that authority by admission.
and i do not understand it. i still think that he is the most brilliant person i have ever encountered. guess a person needs common sense too.
it is illegal under the law to, make all these claims to people and get services for promise of something, then once you get what you want, you do not honor your initial promises.
and futhermore.
once vivi got the axe here. she took an interest in the neurolands. The four of us (all of us) expressed concern but she also all of a sudden showed a romantic interest in neuroman (who has been chasing her for months).
we all agreed that she would never have control. but who runs the portal? VIVI! who runs ramoth? VIVI! who was the mysterious guest on intensity administration panel? i don't know.
side bar: all this trouble with intensity happened weeks after the excuse for it, but within 2 days of a thread i started in a hidden forum on intensity in which i called Vivi everyname in the book. ask hecate, i did it as a simple test to see if i would get any scorn. sure enough, guess what>>>
at the time we were all wondering if Vivi had access and privelage everywhere? we found out, we got our answer. Intensity was put on trial. how small! what an easy dupe.
Also, in these discussions in the founders forum about vivi, neuroman expressed a concern of his.
he agreed with us that she would not get what she craves the most, power over others and the ability to control them.
neuroman told us about how vivi had boasted to him about all the people she has in her hip pocket. all the OTS people, one particular computer wiz, who helped develope this site. all under her control (not Alex Plank). and seemed like it was inferred, to do her beck and call. oh the gracious lady. what will we do with all her backroom politicking?
and finally.
neuroman also showed concern for her trying to take over the neurolands and specifically asked shima and hermit to remove him from administrative privelages if it seemed like this was occuring. he wrote that, im sure, when he still had his own mind.
just thought you'd enjoy the screenplay for the movie of the week. im telling you, its got all the elements, don't it.
i am deeply saddened by the death of a dream and how a lust for power, killed it. shame on you vetivert. you don't really care about anything that you actually preach of. in particular, people with AS. because this was supposed to be AS4US, in every possible way.
there is so much more. i simply highlighted the basics, since you asked.
are you sorry you did?
public politicking 
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SB2
The Tufted Titmouse that could
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| AbominableSnoCone wrote: | If people want to keep it all in one place it is worth mentioning that Dunc has volunteered his forum as a place to discuss the whole Intensity issue. Thats probably the best place for it.
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nah. i have lived too much by her terms. its over.
btw- you wren't mentioned as one of the many people she owned
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vetivert
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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i repeat:
| vetivert wrote: | SB2/McJ - i'll respond to what you and others have said about me when people have stopped deciding that they can read my mind.
there seems little point in saying anything whilst people have already been judge, jury and executioner.
and i'd prefer to keep the discussion in one place - spreading it all over different sites seems daft. as it's not really germane to WP, i'll respond elsewhere. |
but just to say that much of SB2's post above is news to me. i do have to wonder why people keep giving me all this power - in their heads, that is. cos i can assure you that that's the only place it is, as far as i'm aware. |
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SB2
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vetivert
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| actually, i will respond. but i agree with beebee, so it'll be on the drivel, not here. |
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danlo
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*highfive Vetivert* You rock, Veti!
SB2, quit being a chum and admit defeat. I know firsthand how hard it is for you, but be a man. Stop whining about how she "bullied" people. She outsmarted and outmaneuvered you. As hard as that is to accept, you're just gonna have to accept it.
Secondly, why debate it here? Why not just give access to that forum to the people who want to read about it? Doesn't it kinda defeat the purpose of only giving exclusive rights to that forum to specific people? Your private squabbles from another website do not belong on this one. You're acting immature, and Vetivert is showing you up. We're not here to act as a cheersquad for you. So stop trying to draw attention here, you have your own site for that. But wait, the audience is bigger here, isn't it?
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