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axelkat
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as long i get what they sayin, i dont gotta problem wit grammar.
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TAFKASH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| axelkat wrote: | as long i get what they sayin, i dont gotta problem wit grammar.
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Just as well really...... 
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Bec
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Bad grammar annoys me. I have actually heard people say 'he don't'. It drives me insane. People who speak like that sound like they have had no education.
It also annoys me when people don't pronounce words correctly. The one I hear most often is 'recognise'. I hate it when people say 'rec-on-ize'. Don't they know it should be 'rec-oG-nize'? |
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TAFKASH
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| Bec wrote: | Bad grammar annoys me. I have actually heard people say 'he don't'. It drives me insane. People who speak like that sound like they have had no education.
It also annoys me when people don't pronounce words correctly. The one I hear most often is 'recognise'. I hate it when people say 'rec-on-ize'. Don't they know it should be 'rec-oG-nize'? |
I agree to a point, but you need to allow for local dialect. I'm generally pretty fastidious about my written style, spelling and grammar, but I speak in a completely different, and rather less "educated" fashion due to my having a strong regional dialect...... (I say 'avin' instead of having as one example) Nevertheless, I do always find myself wanting to insert sharp pointy objects into the persons of duck-billed chav types spouting their "innit"s and "yeah, but"s and "wickid, man"s and the like..... Hmmmmm..... I suspect there is no neat resolution to this one, sadly.... Kill 'em all and let God sort them out, maybe.....
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Bec
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| TAFKASH wrote: | | Bec wrote: | Bad grammar annoys me. I have actually heard people say 'he don't'. It drives me insane. People who speak like that sound like they have had no education.
It also annoys me when people don't pronounce words correctly. The one I hear most often is 'recognise'. I hate it when people say 'rec-on-ize'. Don't they know it should be 'rec-oG-nize'? |
I agree to a point, but you need to allow for local dialect. I'm generally pretty fastidious about my written style, spelling and grammar, but I speak in a completely different, and rather less "educated" fashion due to my having a strong regional dialect...... (I say 'avin' instead of having as one example) Nevertheless, I do always find myself wanting to insert sharp pointy objects into the persons of duck-billed chav types spouting their "innit"s and "yeah, but"s and "wickid, man"s and the like..... Hmmmmm..... I suspect there is no neat resolution to this one, sadly.... Kill 'em all and let God sort them out, maybe..... |
I allow for local dialect. I think saying 'avin' is fine. 'He don't' instead of 'he doesn't' just drives me mad.
C'mon, TAFKASH, be nice to the poor little chavs. It's not their fault they think they are cool. Poor, misguided souls... |
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merien_took
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I use "y'all" because it's part of the local dialect and, come on, English needs a you plural! 
I'm also happy I can follow y'all's (hehehe) conversation about chavs. CNN did a brief piece on them once so this American isn't completely out of the loop. |
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TAFKASH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Bec wrote: | | I allow for local dialect. I think saying 'avin' is fine. 'He don't' instead of 'he doesn't' just drives me mad. |
I actually say "'e dun't" (rhymes with blunt)..... Does that count? 
| Bec wrote: | | C'mon, TAFKASH, be nice to the poor little chavs. It's not their fault they think they are cool. Poor, misguided souls... |
I'm more than willing to give chavs a break....... Just as long as the break in question is to a painful part of their "bling"ed up, tattooed and pierced little bodies...... 
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TAFKASH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| merien_took wrote: | I use "y'all" because it's part of the local dialect and, come on, English needs a you plural!
I'm also happy I can follow y'all's (hehehe) conversation about chavs. CNN did a brief piece on them once so this American isn't completely out of the loop. |
Another interesting little factette.... Oh yes it is!!!..... The reason English has no 'you' plural, or noun genders or adjective cases (like other European languages), or all the other barmy English grammar things, is because for about 2 centuries after the Norman invasion the only people who spoke English were illiterate peasants (posh, educated people all spoke French). So, basically, all the fine subtleties and intricacies of the then English language got dumbed down by being spoken only by Mediaeval chavs for 200 years...... Bit of a sobering thought really.........
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merien_took
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not really sure the subleties of English were killed by illiterate peasants, since I don't think the Anglo-Saxon invaders were very educated themselves and managed to have a complex grammar. English has been influenced by so many languages over the last 1500 years it's no wonder we've got the weird grammar we do today. Between Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Norman French, Scandanavian, Latin, and bits picked up from Indian, Chinese, African languages, North American Indian languages, modern German, Spanish, Italian, and Russian, original English subleties were bound to disappear. But we've also developed our own subtleties.
Again, I think I'm being too serious and going off on little professor rants. |
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axelkat
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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who let the english professors outta their cages. put em back
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ZedSimon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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We're out hunting for food. And you forgot to Cap your W, and the E in English. Plus, you forgot a question mark and an apostrophe. And. a. period. 
Y'know what another probem with English is (and this is NOT directed to anyone)? Our conversational grammar is bleeding into our writing style. We're so used to speaking a certain way that we can't help but write that way also. And since you don't punctuate when you speak, you don't think about punctuating in writing either:
see what i mean this is how i talk to someone on the internet like im talking to them in person its quicker to type but its harder to read cuz you dont know where 1 sentence ends and the other begins
Punctuation breaks up the monotony. Livens up the page a bit. And it's fun to use, too. :^)
- Your Linguistic Zed, who does NOT want to get started on apostrophes right now |
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Bec
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| TAFKASH wrote: | | I actually say "'e dun't" (rhymes with blunt)..... Does that count? |
Hmmm...Well, I said 'dun't' aloud. I realised that it sounds like a shorter form of 'doesn't' rather than 'don't'. So, no, that dun't count.  |
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JayShaw
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| I find poor grammar unattractive. I also tend to dislike any accent that deviates from proper enunciation. I realize that these are my own personal quirks, though, and I try to avoid letting others' occasional mistakes bother me. After all, I make occasional grammatical errors, myself. Unfortunately, I have much more difficulty accepting people who are utterly incapable of grasping grammatical structure in general. |
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ascan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Some strong words. Beautifully punctuated, too .
These things don't bother me too much. Each persons style of writing is part of their on-line personality, so to speak. Anyway, to be honest, I don't know all the rules of grammar and punctuation and was never taught them at school. I just observe how others write, and adapt accordingly.
Hmmm... think I missed a few apostrophes in there somewhere... jeez I'm getting edgy, what must people think? 
Oh, a thought... perhaps one of the grammar gurus could give us an idiots guide and get it stickied to the top of the page. |
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axelkat
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ZedSimon wrote: | We're out hunting for food. And you forgot to Cap your W, and the E in English. Plus, you forgot a question mark and an apostrophe. And. a. period.
Y'know what another probem with English is (and this is NOT directed to anyone)? Our conversational grammar is bleeding into our writing style. We're so used to speaking a certain way that we can't help but write that way also. And since you don't punctuate when you speak, you don't think about punctuating in writing either:
see what i mean this is how i talk to someone on the internet like im talking to them in person its quicker to type but its harder to read cuz you dont know where 1 sentence ends and the other begins
Punctuation breaks up the monotony. Livens up the page a bit. And it's fun to use, too. :^)
- Your Linguistic Zed, who does NOT want to get started on apostrophes right now |
I dont give a sh** about grammer, the internet is a place where it does not apply.
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