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mysticaria
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 Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: Sick sexual abuse of a child with Asperger's |
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I can't believe the extent of callous cruelty evident in some people.
It doesn't specify if these were the PARENTS of the child. I hope that these people were NOT the parents, and this child
has people that will love and appreciate him, instead of him ending up in Foster care which would be extremely traumatic following this.
Knowing that an 8 year old child is autistic, and taking advantage of that to sexually abuse for profit??!
I hope they get abused in jail. 
http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1739149478/Couple-faces-at-least-15-years-for-child-porn
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PEORIA —
A South Peoria couple faces at least 15 years and possibly up to 30 years in federal prison for making sexually explicit videos with an 8-year-old child.
Raymond E. Freeman, 51, and Tammy Watters, 43, both of 1403 W. Howett St., pleaded "blind," or without a written plea agreement, to child pornography production.
In addition, the two also agreed to allow the government to seize any computer or camera equipment used to make the illicit videos.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Kirk Schoenbein read a detailed and graphic description of the half-dozen videos the two made with the boy, who suffers from Asperger's Disorder, a form of autism.
The videos, the prosecutor said, feature Watters engaging in some form of sexual activity with the child. One of the videos has both adults in it as well.
Freeman and Watters each took turns filming, said Schoenbein. During one, Freeman is heard telling Watters and the boy to look at the camera.
Police learned of the couple after a person who was at their house noticed "hundreds" of compact discs and DVDs sitting on a table. The titles of those discs, the prosecutor said in open court, were "of concern" to the person, who took them home and upon watching them, went to the police.
A federal warrant was authorized on April 29, and police searched the house, finding three computers, a flash drive, the discs, a video camera recorder and a cell phone with a camera. According to court records, the videos were taken between June and October of last year.
Both Freeman and Watters were ordered held in custody of the U.S. marshals pending their Dec. 11 sentencing by U.S. District Judge Joe B. McDade. Under federal law, they must serve at least 85 percent of any sentence McDade imposes. |
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Woodpecker
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:19 am Post subject: |
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This looks like a very serious case, I say that if convicted that the parents should get a life term.
I am a little unhappy about the idea of inmates in prison being abused as part of their punishment. I know about the existance of things like "Con's law" where in a UK prison any sexual offender who harmed a child is viewed as someone who can be beaten, raped or murdered for fun by the "honest" crooks.
But while it might be tempting to sit back and watch the normal criminals do the things which the legal system is unable to do, I suspect that the weaker people (and those with AS) will suffer far more under this unofficial system of punishment. As a result I oppose it, I think that prison should be a safe place where prisoners are not at risk of being attacked by the other inmates.
I have no idea of how to make prison a safe place, but that is what I would aim for.
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Shiggily
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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I have no idea of how to make prison a safe place, but that is what I would aim for. |
complete isolation. They use that for high profile inmates.
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Aspiewordsmith
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| The people who done this to this child mentioned are nonces (paedophiles) and should be put in prison and people know what happens to nonces. tey do get a hard time. I presume that these nonces are neurotypical that would be obvious to do something sick like that. In Britain they would separate nonces from the rest of the prison population as to avoid bullying which is deserved. These deserve everything they get inside. |
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Michael_Stuart
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The reason we have a legal system is so that just punishment is served. "They deserve everything they get inside" is total bullshit. Why not just stone everyone the public doesn't like? Is that fair?
On a note to Shiggily, total isolation is an added punishment in itself. Which isn't neccesarily a bad thing, but not very convenient to the legal system.
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demeus
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First off, understand that the prison system social structure, although different, is somewhat like that on the outside. The big difference is that rather than based on how you interact with people, the structure is more based on the crime you committed.
Murders are usually at the top of the scale because simply put, someone who has killed once has a predisposition to kill again. Child rapists are at the low end of the strata and are usually treated like aspies are in the outside world. The problem that aspies have in prison is that their crimes usually do not rate for them to be in the high end strata (except for those who have murdered someone) and they cannot tell through body language that they have violated the social structure.
In the case of these 2 people, they will be isolated from the general population for their own safety. Now I know there are many who believe that they (at least the male) should get a congegial visit or 2 from Bubba but simply put, all people should be safe in institutions. Even the lowest of scum. |
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CRD
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| What ever happens on the inside to them is out of our hands. I just hope then never get to see the outside again the rotten sobs. |
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Woodpecker
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Well I will tell you what I think of nonces, I hate them. I freely admit that if one of them was to harm a friend or relative of mine then I might be very tempted to administer my own form of justice. However this would be wrong. While the idea of beating the living daylights out of a nonce before killing the creep in the most painful way possible might appeal to many people, I think we should stop and think in a calm way.
If we were to bring in penalties for nonces such as beatings, whipping, torture, hanging etc than rather then these penalties being imposed almost in a random manner by the bank robbers, car thieves, drunken drivers, bar room brawlers and whoever else is currently in jail these penalties should be discussed in parliament and considered in each case by a judge and jury.
Also under such a hypothetical law, we might be sentencing people to all manner of medieval penalties. This then brings up the possibility of a miscarriage of justice which could be caused by someone committing perjury. I think that it is easy to put right a miscarriage of justice if the person has been in jail for a year wrongly than it is to reverse a mutilation such as branding.
Also in the cold light of day I do not think that normal healthy judges or legislators will be willing to impose or enter into law new degrading and inhumane penalties.
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Jkid
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Woodpecker wrote: | This looks like a very serious case, I say that if convicted that the parents should get a life term.
I am a little unhappy about the idea of inmates in prison being abused as part of their punishment. I know about the existance of things like "Con's law" where in a UK prison any sexual offender who harmed a child is viewed as someone who can be beaten, raped or murdered for fun by the "honest" crooks.
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Source for Con's law please. At least try to explain further. |
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Arcadian
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| it says hundreds of cds, but that they will get at least 15 years, I think that 15 years is far to kind a punishment |
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Woodpecker
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Jkid wrote: | | Woodpecker wrote: | This looks like a very serious case, I say that if convicted that the parents should get a life term.
I am a little unhappy about the idea of inmates in prison being abused as part of their punishment. I know about the existance of things like "Con's law" where in a UK prison any sexual offender who harmed a child is viewed as someone who can be beaten, raped or murdered for fun by the "honest" crooks.
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Source for Con's law please. At least try to explain further. |
As I understand it con's law is as follows,
In jail some acts are not "allowed" by the inmates. Such as reporting another inmate for a crime commited while in jail. Also a pecking order exists, at the bottom are those who have been put inside for sexual crimes against children. In the UK system they are known as nonces, many inmates who are inside for "normal" crime think it is quite reasonable to beat, abuse or even kill a nonce. Some of them even view it as their duty to attack a "nonce" when ever they get the chance.
For instance the case of the murder of John Geoghan, may have been one of "con's law"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan
http://crimemagazine.com/03/geoghan,1201.htm
Also Myra Hindley was abused by many of the other women in jail becuase they hated her for her crimes.
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