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Nightsun
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IQ test are difficulty accurate, the more accurate for logical-mathematical are MENSA test. I usually score between 160 and 175, there is also a large variance in them. As for "people who talk about IQ doesn't reach anything" I don't belive is true. Reaching something is more likely to be something in the range of fortune, attitude and so on. For istance I've finished all school and finished university (Theoretical Physics) at the age of 23. But in the same way I didn't continued in my research field because I want to be near my parents and also I've prefered to marry and have child with my wife. In italy research can't really reach a decent salary before 35-40 years old and I didn't want to wait. Having a "normal" life was a greater challenge than finding out some new physical law. IQ test are inaccurate but probably more accurate than life achivment.
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actually I can't belive there isn't a relationship between Aspies and high IQ. Bad variations are cut-off by nature so if there is something wrong it should be also something benefical (if it's not a real "patology"). People with myopia are usually more intelligent than normal people for example, also adapting with brain to an "unnatural" behavior will probably train brain to think. As I see the things: if you have a "genetic" deficit you must have something else, otherwise your genes don't replicate via natural selection. Said that probably IQ tests are not properly adapted to people in the spectrum (for istance I've said about MENSA test because they are only mathematical tests) if I do a verbal test or a simple game like cross-words I really feel pain in my head so it probably goes down to the testing method and a proper definition of intelligence. Also a lot is about Aspenger definition and his difference with HFA that seems to me still a bit controversial. |
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Tim_Tex
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Last I checked, it was 126.
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@ShogunSalute:
actually I can't belive there isn't a relationship between Aspies and high IQ. Bad variations are cut-off by nature so if there is something wrong it should be also something benefical (if it's not a real "patology"). People with myopia are usually more intelligent than normal people for example, also adapting with brain to an "unnatural" behavior will probably train brain to think. As I see the things: if you have a "genetic" deficit you must have something else, otherwise your genes don't replicate via natural selection. Said that probably IQ tests are not properly adapted to people in the spectrum (for istance I've said about MENSA test because they are only mathematical tests) if I do a verbal test or a simple game like cross-words I really feel pain in my head so it probably goes down to the testing method and a proper definition of intelligence. Also a lot is about Aspenger definition and his difference with HFA that seems to me still a bit controversial. |
science and mass testing has already proven you wrong. people with AS usually score normal scores, or a bit above or a bit below. there is no freakish smartness that comes with being Autistic, unless you are a savant, which is rare. people here lie because it's the internet and they can and it makes them feel good. |
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buryuntime
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| ShogunSalute wrote: | | Nightsun wrote: |
@ShogunSalute:
actually I can't belive there isn't a relationship between Aspies and high IQ. Bad variations are cut-off by nature so if there is something wrong it should be also something benefical (if it's not a real "patology"). People with myopia are usually more intelligent than normal people for example, also adapting with brain to an "unnatural" behavior will probably train brain to think. As I see the things: if you have a "genetic" deficit you must have something else, otherwise your genes don't replicate via natural selection. Said that probably IQ tests are not properly adapted to people in the spectrum (for istance I've said about MENSA test because they are only mathematical tests) if I do a verbal test or a simple game like cross-words I really feel pain in my head so it probably goes down to the testing method and a proper definition of intelligence. Also a lot is about Aspenger definition and his difference with HFA that seems to me still a bit controversial. |
science and mass testing has already proven you wrong. people with AS usually score normal scores, or a bit above or a bit below. there is no freakish smartness that comes with being Autistic, unless you are a savant, which is rare. people here lie because it's the internet and they can and it makes them feel good. |
Maybe only the majority of autistics that use the internet are on the smarter end? Also, I don't think it's really characteristic of them lying. |
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makuranososhi
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| ShogunSalute wrote: | | Nightsun wrote: |
@ShogunSalute:
actually I can't belive there isn't a relationship between Aspies and high IQ. Bad variations are cut-off by nature so if there is something wrong it should be also something benefical (if it's not a real "patology"). People with myopia are usually more intelligent than normal people for example, also adapting with brain to an "unnatural" behavior will probably train brain to think. As I see the things: if you have a "genetic" deficit you must have something else, otherwise your genes don't replicate via natural selection. Said that probably IQ tests are not properly adapted to people in the spectrum (for istance I've said about MENSA test because they are only mathematical tests) if I do a verbal test or a simple game like cross-words I really feel pain in my head so it probably goes down to the testing method and a proper definition of intelligence. Also a lot is about Aspenger definition and his difference with HFA that seems to me still a bit controversial. |
science and mass testing has already proven you wrong. people with AS usually score normal scores, or a bit above or a bit below. there is no freakish smartness that comes with being Autistic, unless you are a savant, which is rare. people here lie because it's the internet and they can and it makes them feel good. |
Citation of these studies you reference, please? I would caution you, as implying that the members here are liars is bordering on insulting and the edge of the rules. I don't think being on the spectrum relates directly to having a high IQ, or being a genius, but I do recognize that the methods used, at least by several of those on the higher functioning end of the spectrum, do contribute to a different way of processing information and analysis.
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makuranososhi
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Izaak
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| makuranososhi wrote: | | ShogunSalute wrote: | | Nightsun wrote: |
@ShogunSalute:
actually I can't belive there isn't a relationship between Aspies and high IQ. Bad variations are cut-off by nature so if there is something wrong it should be also something benefical (if it's not a real "patology"). People with myopia are usually more intelligent than normal people for example, also adapting with brain to an "unnatural" behavior will probably train brain to think. As I see the things: if you have a "genetic" deficit you must have something else, otherwise your genes don't replicate via natural selection. Said that probably IQ tests are not properly adapted to people in the spectrum (for istance I've said about MENSA test because they are only mathematical tests) if I do a verbal test or a simple game like cross-words I really feel pain in my head so it probably goes down to the testing method and a proper definition of intelligence. Also a lot is about Aspenger definition and his difference with HFA that seems to me still a bit controversial. |
science and mass testing has already proven you wrong. people with AS usually score normal scores, or a bit above or a bit below. there is no freakish smartness that comes with being Autistic, unless you are a savant, which is rare. people here lie because it's the internet and they can and it makes them feel good. |
Citation of these studies you reference, please? I would caution you, as implying that the members here are liars is bordering on insulting and the edge of the rules. I don't think being on the spectrum relates directly to having a high IQ, or being a genius, but I do recognize that the methods used, at least by several of those on the higher functioning end of the spectrum, do contribute to a different way of processing information and analysis.
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Well, given that Asperger's is mutually exclusive with kanners (or low functioning) autism you are automatically eliminating below functioning scores which would, ipso facto, lead to high average IQ test scores.
If you cut out all scores below (whatever retardation level is for appropriate score (lets say 50) and top score is 100. You probably end up with and average well above NT populations which would include scores below 50.
In conclusion... AS'ers are smater than NT's (on average)...  |
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ShogunSalute
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| i can't remember the names of the studies. i didn't read them online. i work at a hospital for autistic people (aged between 4 - 45) and i read the medical journals, books, papers and what not, especially the Autism reports. if you'd really like i can try and dig them out and let you know some exact details of what i have read, at the time of reading it i didn't think i'd be having to defend myself over acquiring and sharing information. |
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Blindspot149
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I am a very recently self diagnosed Aspie but I seem to find consistent statements that Aspies are 'generally' at average or above average intelligence AND that many of the most famous creative geniuses seem to have exhibited some or many AS traits.
I happen to have an IQ score in the top 2% and am a member of Mensa BUT, I fall into the bottom of that group 
I think my AS was a great help to me academically prior to going to University.
With little or no distractions from socialising , I spent most of my time with my head in my books (or running)
University was thoroughly overwhelming for me (socially) and this was reflected in my graduation results.
If anything I would say that my 'intelligence' was almost a barrier to success during the early part of my working life.
It wasnt until I started to harness my knowledge and ablities creatively as an independent consultant (I have never been a 'team player') that my achievements began to catch up with my abilities.
In my experience, in a fair fight, determination will almost always overcome brains....
When brains are combined with determination, the force can be unstoppable.
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Zonder
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| Blindspot149 wrote: | | When brains are combined with determination, the force can be unstoppable. |
I think this should be published in a book called "The Quotable Blindspot149". Thanks for your post - I'm a year into being a consultant myself, and your last line was just what I needed.
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MudandStars
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My IQ was assessed as 139 when I was applying for the gifted and talented program at high school, which in the end didn't really exist.
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Kasia
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I've had several real IQ tests in my life. I've scored between 160-175 on all of them. This might also be why they overlooked the hyperlexia and saw genius tendencies. Oh well.
Fake IQ tests on the other hand have a much larger disparity. I might have been diagnosed with retardation or very superior intellect based on my mood. |
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Tollorin
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| Kasia wrote: | I've had several real IQ tests in my life. I've scored between 160-175 on all of them. This might also be why they overlooked the hyperlexia and saw genius tendencies. Oh well.
Fake IQ tests on the other hand have a much larger disparity. I might have been diagnosed with retardation or very superior intellect based on my mood. |
How to tell if you got hyperlexia with someone who is that smart? Precocious reading is quite common among people with very high IQs. So how tell the difference betwen from what come of your precocity and hyperlexia.
I will love to be as smart as you though. I bet I will know some very advanced stuffs in physics and in sciences. And I will had learned caculus and some very advanced mathematics by now.  (I had to give up CEGEP because of depression some years ago.  ) |
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veiledexpressions
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| I tested at 158 during my evaluation. I have many weaknesses, and do not think this number to be important. |
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