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MussoliniBismarck
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | MussoliniBismarck wrote: | | Asperger's is a handicap? How so? |
Um.... it reduces our social ability to a significant degree? Is social ability an actual ability? Sure, that's why RPGs sometimes have a charisma stat! |
I just don' think that is much of a handicap myself. |
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Deinonychus
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Either your a very charismatic Aspie, or you haven't had many job interviews.  |
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MussoliniBismarck
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I have the skills of putting up a very NT face when I want to, so I wont bomb interviews too bad. |
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Deinonychus
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | protest_the_hero wrote: | | I'm a firm believer in reason over faith. |
So, you have faith in reason, but no faith in faith?  |
Whilst this may sound facetious, it's a good point.
It is a circular argument to justify the use of reason by using reason.
Belief in rationality can not be based on a rational argument. Belief in something, without a rational reason to believe, is faith.
To condemn all faith on grounds of rationality is gross hypocrisy.
MussoliniBismarck: I personally find 'putting on the NT face' to be like all blagging; only successful until something exposes the real lack of ability. A facial expression that I didn't notice, a joke I didn't follow or a subtly inappropriate sentence I didn't catch on the way to my voice. Such things cause unusually wide gaps of understanding between my self and others. That can lead to mistakes, misunderstandings, stress and all manner of faux pas. That is certainly something that handicaps both my interactions with others and my well being. |
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DentArthurDent
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | MussoliniBismarck wrote: | | Asperger's is a handicap? How so? |
Um.... it reduces our social ability to a significant degree? Is social ability an actual ability? Sure, that's why RPGs sometimes have a charisma stat! |
Getting some what off topic (although it is relevant to what I posted earlier). Regarding Autism and aspergers , the two seem to merge at the boundaries, those more to the 'autism' end of of the spectrum do not seem to see the lack of social ability to be a concern, others like myself who have less 'autistic' traits find this extremely debilitating and very frustrating.
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psychointegrator
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| Faith needs to be defined or it's near meaningless. |
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ruveyn
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| MussoliniBismarck wrote: | | EC wrote: | Either way, I find it hilarious that someone with a handicap would believe in God! Battered wife syndrome anyone?  |
Asperger's is a handicap? How so? |
A social handicap. Aspies have a rough time in the NT world. They seem "weird" to the NTs and they are socially awkward. When it comes to mating time, Aspies have a definite disadvantage in getting a sexual partner (I am excluding the purchasing of sexual services). Life is not easy for an Aspie. Then there is the matter of employment. There are only a few areas of employment where Aspies are well suited. The computer and software trade is one and maybe a few technical area in engineering where social skills count for little.
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Friskeygirl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| psychointegrator wrote: | | Faith needs to be defined or it's near meaningless. |
thats so funny, faith is something that can't be defined
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psychointegrator
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| Friskeygirl wrote: | | psychointegrator wrote: | | Faith needs to be defined or it's near meaningless. |
thats so funny, faith is something that can't be defined |
I don't find it difficult to define.
Others have posted already using the word and it seemed reasonable to hear their definition since they used it. It is not obvious to what they mean by the word. |
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MagnusArmstrong
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I dont thinks so because I am an athiest.
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X_Parasite
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Letum wrote: | Why assume that I assume that your eyes aren't lying?
Why start with assumptions at all! It's not a good way to learn. If I went in to a classroom full of assumptions that I had absolutely no evidence for, I would soon have them changed.
You have no evidence that your eyes have ever told you the truth.
You can't even give them the benefit of the doubt (a risky business in it's self) because you know that your eyes have lied to you in the past. |
You assume that I haven't considered those things. As I've said before, if all that I perceive is an illusion, then let it continue.
Also, you went from me not having evidence that my eyes have ever told me the truth to me knowing that they've lied to me! Were you very tired when you wrote that?
| Friskeygirl wrote: | | faith is something that can't be defined |
| Wiktionary wrote: | | Mental acceptance of and confidence in a claim as truth without proof supporting the claim. |
How's that for a definition? |
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Deinonychus
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| X_Parasite wrote: | | you went from me not having evidence that my eyes have ever told me the truth to me knowing that they've lied to me! Were you very tired when you wrote that? |
Those two are not strictly exclusive of each other. |
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X_Parasite
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You seem to have missed something.
You stated that I didn't have evidence that my eyes had ever told me the truth.
You then stated that I knew that they had lied to me.
"There is no evidence for A or against B, so B wins without evidence."
I assume that my eyes are reporting accurately because my perception has always been consistent with my experience.
There's still a lack of certainty, but an assumption that what I perceive isn't real would require an overly complex explanation. |
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Deinonychus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| X_Parasite wrote: | You seem to have missed something.
You stated that I didn't have evidence that my eyes had ever told me the truth.
You then stated that I knew that they had lied to me. |
Yes.
The data from your eyes can never be verified, but it can be falsified.
It can never be verified because we have no direct assess to the external world.
As for falsification; optical illusions or hallucinations of shapes that are a-priori impossible are good examples of when you know your eyes must have lied.
| Quote: | I assume that my eyes are reporting accurately because my perception has always been consistent with my experience.
There's still a lack of certainty, but an assumption that what I perceive isn't real would require an overly complex explanation. |
Of course your perception has always been consistent with your experience!
Your perception is your experience.
Furthermore, don't the separate senses of perception delude you in consistent unison in dreams, hallucinations ans such?
The complexity of a explanation tells us nothing about it's truth or likelihood. |
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X_Parasite
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| Letum wrote: | | don't the separate senses of perception delude you in consistent unison in dreams, hallucinations ans such? |
Well, to my knowledge, I've never had a hallucination (unless my entire life has been one... Which includes this forum and you).
However, my senses do not delude me in dreams because they're not used in dreams. Senses are used to observe the outside world, which is not where dreams are. Anyway, I generally know when I'm dreaming. (Obviously, if I remember going to bed but not waking up, then I'm dreaming. That and the fact that my dreams tend to have noticeable inconsistency.) |
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