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Dancyclancy
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Einstein *was * a visionary! Exactly my point!
He was also thrown out of University.....
My point regarding the OP was that his quest for understanding is important, and should be encouraged rather than sidelined. As he is a man of youngish years it would be quite likely that, in the course of his reading etc, he will develop the methods and skills needed to further clarify his ideas making them more * presentable* to greater scrutiny.
He ( the OP) has, by airing his ideas, provided opportunity for discussion which in itself is worthwhile. There will be people from varied backgrounds reading these posts and possibly wanting to add their comments. Whilst I don't deny the veracity of many of your comments, possibly a Socratic Method of questioning may provoke greater clarification, of some of the OPs ideas and open out discussion.
It takes courage to put forth one's *original* ideas "out there" ( so to speak) .
Being an *assassin* as you describe yourself may prevent further discussion. The role of Devil's Advocate might be less hard hitting and produce some interesing results. 
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Dancyclancy wrote: | Einstein *was * a visionary! Exactly my point!
He was also thrown out of University..... |
I misread you, I transposed some words. Ok, but the man's method was correct, and he still completed a PhD in physics.
| Quote: | | My point regarding the OP was that his quest for understanding is important, and should be encouraged rather than sidelined. As he is a man of youngish years it would be quite likely that, in the course of his reading etc, he will develop the methods and skills needed to further clarify his ideas making them more * presentable* to greater scrutiny. |
Ok, of course. I wouldn't deny that his quest for understanding is important. Frankly, I want this person to develop better ideas. I do think that presentability and quality of an idea are somewhat linked though.
| Quote: | | He ( the OP) has, by airing his ideas, provided opportunity for discussion which in itself is worthwhile. There will be people from varied backgrounds reading these posts and possibly wanting to add their comments. Whilst I don't deny the veracity of many of your comments, possibly a Socratic Method of questioning may provoke greater clarification, of some of the OPs ideas and open out discussion. |
I think that a critical method works better, particularly since I think there are some known mainstream views, and because like I said, I think that the OP is just assuming his conclusion and finding it is a bizarre conclusion. Thus, there is no method, and nothing to really discuss, heck, the assumptions also don't create a world that is different in some substantive measure either, so there isn't even a significant amount of worldview comparison issue to get into, about which worldview matches our reality better.
Do I think there are directions the OP can go to make his worldview better? Sure, and I directed the OP to the more speculative side of metaphysics with Idealism, Process Philosophy, and the Eastern Religions(I did mean the more philosophical expressions of the ideas, as those have been influential)
| Quote: | | Being an *assassin* as you describe yourself may prevent further discussion. The role of Devil's Advocate might be less hard hitting and produce some interesing results. |
I take some positions at times, I also at times do want to start discussions and watch them grow to some extent. But I do defend my stance in this case. If you think I am missing out on some of the value of this, why don't you try to show what value I am missing with a rational defense of the idea? Like, one that succinctly shows what I am missing of the logical structure, and how this idea relates to our basic intuitions or empirical data.
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Dancyclancy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Hi Awesomelyglorious!
In fact I do agree with most of what you say, and pleased with the areas you referred the OP to, sorry I missed your direction to Eastern Religious philosophy. Agree with these 3 areas being of use to the OP.
What do you think about recommending the book written by a Scandanavian teacher, as a reader friendly introduction to the historical progression of philosophy "Sophie's World" by Jostein Gaarder. ( Not to be confused with that other book about a woman of same name).
This book introduces a girl to Philosophy through a mysterious Course that offers various topics, from the early Greeks, British Empiricism. Wittegenstein and many others , clothed within a series of "fantastical journeys the protagonist experiences". Each of these sojourns into fantasy actually create a scenario that demonstrates the "workings of whatever philosophical position is being introduced " to the protagonist.
There are sections dealing with philosophy in a very straight manner.... then the fantasy takes over to illustrate the philosophical position.
As TheAutisticDirectoris into Science Fiction I feel that this might be an appropriate recommendation. A springboard survey from which to leap to whatever facet of study is appropiate and/or appeals.
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Dancyclancy
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Hi Awesomelyglorious!
In fact I do agree with most of what you say, and pleased with the areas you referred the OP to, sorry I missed your direction to Eastern Religious philosophy. Agree with these 3 areas being of use to the OP.
What do you think about recommending the book written by a Scandanavian teacher, as a reader friendly introduction to the historical progression of philosophy "Sophie's World" by Jostein Gaarder. ( Not to be confused with that other book about a woman of same name).
This book introduces a girl to Philosophy through a mysterious Course that offers various topics, from the early Greeks, British Empiricism. Wittegenstein and many others , clothed within a series of "fantastical journeys the protagonist experiences". Each of these sojourns into fantasy actually create a scenario that demonstrates the "workings of whatever philosophical position is being introduced " to the protagonist.
There are sections dealing with philosophy in a very straight manner.... then the fantasy takes over to illustrate the philosophical position.
As TheAutisticDirectoris into Science Fiction I feel that this might be an appropriate recommendation. A springboard survey from which to leap to whatever facet of study is appropiate and/or appeals.
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