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| Are you vaccinating your kid(s) for the seasonal flu and/or H1N1 |
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DW_a_mom
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| gramirez wrote: |
As far as kids bringing home things from school goes, kids should wash their hands right when they get home from school. My mother made that as a rule, which quickly became instinctual whenever I return home after being out some place. |
I see a little irony here. We're discussing all this on an AS forum and one topic we've seen here often is just how difficult it can be to get some of our AS kids to wash their hands. This remains, after all these years and a ton of trying every trick in the book, a MAJOR issue with my 12 year old AS son. Something inside him wants nothing to do with a sink, water and soap, and this is no minor resistance. So, deal with meltdowns over the issue, or understand he's a filthy mess even though he does now do a lip service amount of washing at my insistence? Balancing life is SO fun 
It all comes down to know your lifestyle, and know its risks. There are no one size fits all answers. We ALL know that.
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MommyJones
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gramirez
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| MommyJones wrote: | http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/03/What-We-Have-Learned-About-the-Great-Swine-Flu-Pandemic.aspx
I just got this today. It has some numbers that could be checked out. |
Dr. Mercola is good. He's located right here in my hometown. He's a voice of reason.
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MommyJones
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| gramirez wrote: | | MommyJones wrote: | http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/03/What-We-Have-Learned-About-the-Great-Swine-Flu-Pandemic.aspx
I just got this today. It has some numbers that could be checked out. |
Dr. Mercola is good. He's located right here in my hometown. He's a voice of reason. |
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DW_a_mom
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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I hate living in the age of too much information. How the heck are we supposed to know who to trust?
One thing to point out, much of the argument against vaccination goes back to the preservative, thimerisol, which the article says is immune suppressing. Not all vaccines have this. One can request a formula made without it. Do so.
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AnotherOne
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MommyJones
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I hear you DW_a_mom...too much information does make you crazy! What I do normally is look for an answer from everywhere I can find the information, verify what I can and then see what is consistent among the rest. That is pretty much how I decide what to believe. It is this reason why I struggle with what to do and I'm always back and forth. None of this however mentions Gillian Barre Syndrome, which is more of a concern to me than the mercury. I'm not really a believer in vaccines causing autism without some underlying condition the vaccines bring to life.
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annotated_alice
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I found this article interesting:
Some Doubt Handwashing Stops H1N1
So while handwashing is very, very important to one's health and well being, it doesn't matter how scrupulous you are about it, you could still get sick.
Also one of my sons tugs at his lips and chews his fingers when he gets stressed. We discourage this and have him wash his hands frequently, but still, there is no way we can keep him from bringing home all sorts of germs. He gets sick with viruses multiple times a year, and when he does, he gets extremely ill. His severe allergies and asthma exacerbate this as well. I am extremely worried about him getting H1N1.
My husband and I just got the shot this morning, and so far have both survived the experience... |
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DW_a_mom
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FYI, I'm having more doubts about that last article I read. One example, it talked a lot about how crazy it was to recommend pregnant women get the shot, when we already know that doctors are recommending pregnant women NOT get the shot. I think there is better information out there that was intentionally ignored or left unreferenced to make a point.
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gramirez
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My aunt works in a government office. She says that every co-worker that received the vaccine, immediately got sick. Anyways, it's very hard to get non-biased information about this issue.
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AnotherOne
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| Just to report: my son got H1N1 flu mist vaccine yesterday. So far, looks fine. A colleague tells me that her son got fever after the same vaccine but still he is fine. he is running around our work-place so nothing serious. |
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visagrunt
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From my perspective, unless vaccination is contraindicated (say because of anaphalactic reaction to egg protein) it is irresponsible not to get flu innoculations ever year.
Yes, there is mercury in thimersol. But there is more mercury in a can of tuna. If you feed your family a tuna casserole, you are putting as much mercury into them as their flu shots. (And inhalation and ingestion are just as effective as vectors for mercury contamination as injection).
The seasonal flu shot (in the Northern Hemisphere) contains three strains this year: an H1N1 (different from H1N1/09), an H3N2 and a type B. Yes, it only contains three strains, but given the choice between immunity to three or immunity to none, which is the preferable course?
Yes, a healthy immune system can generate immunity to flu viruses that a person encounters--but that's precisely what flu vaccines do. Using inactive virus (protein coats with no genetic material) the body can create antibodies without the risk of illness, since the virus cannot replicate.
Influenza is potentially fatal--over 40,000 people die of flu every year in the US. While 1 in 7,500 doesn't sound like much, it doesn't include major hospitalizations, and ongoing health concerns.
Supposing that there is a 1:100,000 chance of vaccine complications (which is a very conservative estimate), are you prepared to balance that against a 1:7,500 chance or death? Children are going to be exposed to the virus--schools and other community activities are going to bring them into close proximity with others, and hygiene precautions are going to break down from time to time.
As for H1N1/09, there has been a huge amount of media hype, and public health agencies have been making policy on the back of cocktail napkins. But the fact remains that H1N1/09 is demonstrating itself to be more virulent that other flus (the spring relapse is significantly higher than with other strains), and it is demonstrating itself to be lethal in cases that are differential to other flus (e.g. young adult women, children with no underlying health issues).
At the end of the day, innoculation is a personal choice. But weighing an extremely small risk from vaccination against a much larger risk from failure to vaccinate, I think responsible parents really only have one choice.
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gramirez
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| visagrunt wrote: | | From my perspective, unless vaccination is contraindicated (say because of anaphalactic reaction to egg protein) it is irresponsible not to get flu innoculations ever year. |
Irresponsible? Sorry, but that's just ludicrous.
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The seasonal flu shot (in the Northern Hemisphere) contains three strains this year: an H1N1 (different from H1N1/09), an H3N2 and a type B. Yes, it only contains three strains, but given the choice between immunity to three or immunity to none, which is the preferable course? |
When there are millions, if not billions of strains of a virus, vaccinating against just 3 ain't gonna do a damn thing. The flu vaccine is utterly useless. It's used to make money, more than anything.
| Quote: | | Influenza is potentially fatal--over 40,000 people die of flu every year in the US. While 1 in 7,500 doesn't sound like much, it doesn't include major hospitalizations, and ongoing health concerns. |
Look at the numbers - this H1N1 flu is far less severe than the seasonal flu.
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Supposing that there is a 1:100,000 chance of vaccine complications (which is a very conservative estimate), are you prepared to balance that against a 1:7,500 chance or death? |
Yes. I'll take death.
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As for H1N1/09, there has been a huge amount of media hype, and public health agencies have been making policy on the back of cocktail napkins. But the fact remains that H1N1/09 is demonstrating itself to be more virulent that other flus (the spring relapse is significantly higher than with other strains), and it is demonstrating itself to be lethal in cases that are differential to other flus (e.g. young adult women, children with no underlying health issues). |
More virulent, maybe. More severe/dangerous? Absolutely not.
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At the end of the day, innoculation is a personal choice. But weighing an extremely small risk from vaccination against a much larger risk from failure to vaccinate, I think responsible parents really only have one choice. |
So if I don't get vaccinated, I'll be sick for a week or two. Big freakin deal.
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CRD
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| My sister who is 4 months pregent got it no ill effect and she's had a rough time just with morning sickness this having to have an IV more then once just to stay hydrated. |
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2ukenkerl
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| MommyJones wrote: | There is a preservative in the H1N1 vaccine that can cause paralysis. The name eludes me but it starts with an S. There are several people in Europe that have died from this vaccine. There is a person that lives 30 miles from me that was affected by this, and although she did not die, she will never be able to play tennis again to her usual ability because of neurological damage.
This side effect is VERY rare, but it is a side effect. I am totally on the fence about this, but I'm leaning towared no. My son is in a school of 10 kids, his daycare has 3 schoolage kids. I don't think he is as much risk as a child going to a public school with hundreds of kids.
It's tough. I would feel guilty if I immunized if something bad happened and I went against my instincts, and I would feel guilty if something happened after he got the virus.
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Well, there IS Guillain-Barré Syndrome! BTW it uses a persons IMMUNE system to cause the problem, so a person with a strong immune system is certainly NOT immune! AND, though rare, it often comes up on HOUSE and IS a noted side effect of vaccines! |
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