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Perambulator
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What makes psychiatric wards and hospitals evil is the institutional nature of them. They don't cater to individuals usually. On the whole they operate based on a stereotypical, bigoted view of what mental illness is. Little respect is shown for individual characters, for individual dietary requirements, the right to possessions and to spend one's time how one likes if not endangering one's self or others.
From my experience of three psychiatric hospitals all of them had filthy bathrooms. All the ones I went in had a communal TV rather than individual ones. There is an assumption that it's OK to treat mentally ill people like lemmings. That's why I think there is a culture of bullying and hierarchy within them and you're likely to always get other patients trying to extort money out of you or intimidate you.
There should be a focus on offering emotional and spiritual enlightenment to people. Staff members should be vetted based on personality more than anything. Forget about qualifications - they don't mean anything when you're dealing with, say, a psychiatrist who's getting malicious pleasure out of mocking your hour of need and vulnerability. There should be a priority for empoying staff involved in community activism, pro-active decent people. Not just someone who wants a paycheck, some gossip and to gawk at disabled people.
I've been in two psychiatric hospitals and one psychiatric ward. Looking back I think I only went in them because nobody had ever given me a chance to learn basic life skills like how to cook, how to keep fit, how to get involved in something I was interested in. I had an over-controlling father who at times was mean and now I've got my own apartment I'm treated with 10 times more respect, I've learned how to do lots of things and don't use mental heath services anymore. |
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Ana54
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| Perambulator wrote: | What makes psychiatric wards and hospitals evil is the institutional nature of them. They don't cater to individuals usually. On the whole they operate based on a stereotypical, bigoted view of what mental illness is. Little respect is shown for individual characters, for individual dietary requirements, the right to possessions and to spend one's time how one likes if not endangering one's self or others.
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You're right.  I feel exactly the same way. Even though this is due to limited resources, surely some people in charge could decide fund these places better instead of stealing the money and spending it on themselves. |
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Angnix
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I good analogy I remember hearing is being in a mental place is like being watched by Santa but you don't get presents for being good... when I was in the hospital, I remember being scared out of my mind when I had a fitful nightmare, and suddenly I awoke to one of those nurses leaning over my bed staring at me!
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Callista
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| NextFact wrote: | | if you tell a counselor or psychologist that your suicidal do you get committed to the hospital or one of these mental hospital prisons? i been asked if i was suicidal by both but i lied and said no, even though i was but for a very short period of time, i came close to hanging myself. |
You'll probably be in the hospital for a week or so, and if you act normal enough while you're there, you'll get out. Your insurance won't pay for any more than that. I think if you're suicidal, it's a better bet to go stay with a family member and have them keep an eye on you... Only time you want to be in a mental ward is if you're literally going to kill yourself or somebody else within five minutes if you don't get somebody to stop you; and then you want to get out as soon as you can because the only thing they can do there is stop you from killing yourself or somebody else; actually getting better takes place at home. I think maybe being manic or having psychotic symptoms you could be better off staying til your meds kick in, too, because those things can cause problems (one of my friends used to run up HUGE credit card bills whenever she got manic, and she's still paying them off; another guy got violent and beat people up when he got manic... but he was kind of a jerk anyway) but you're talking about depression... in any case, the shorter the stay, the better. Hospitals can make it less likely that you'll do something permanent, but they can't get you any further than just "not going to die right now".
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hippiechick
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: my experience |
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I have not LIVED in a nutward, but I've been hospitalized before. Before they knew I had AS, so they called my sensitivity to light, sound, touch, etc. "psychotic symptoms." It was kind of like living in a dorm, since you have a roommate that you don't know at first. Except instead of going to classes, you go to groups and indivudual therapy and art therapy and milleau therapy. No, they can't force meds, at least my in my state, unless they get a court order. BUT if you do not take meds, you are considered "uncooperative."
Solitary confinement is now called the isolation room. I've never been in one--they can only put yu there is you are in active danger to yourself or others. And they can only keep you in t here long enough to get you under control.
Enemies? Rebellion? I personally was too depressed to do either! Some people might make enemies with their doc, if they don't agree with their treatment. But mostly, people are real sick and not interacting with others a whole lot, in my experience.
When you are in the hospital, you can't leave the ward for at least the first 24 hours. No cigarette breaks or anything are allowed, in my state, anyway. then you go up levels, depending on how well you are doing. When you are almost ready to go home, the can let you go on short passes, like for 2 hours or 3 hours. Your aren't allowed to have "contraband"--anything you could use to hurt yourself, like razors, shoelaces, knives, etc.
Being in the hospital is hard, but for me, it saved my life once. No, I didn't witness a suicide or murder or saved anyone's life. Most of the people aren't eccentric--they are real real sick--sick enough to be at the hospital. You might find people talking to themselves and stuff, but it's not too freaky. Just very sick people.
Democratic? No, it's not at all democratic. People are there often because they want to kill themselves, so they don't get a vote in the matter, at least for a short time.
I live in Washington State in the US. I don't know where you all live, but things may differ by state/country. And they certainly vary by person!
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Loborojo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: my experience |
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| hippiechick wrote: | I have not LIVED in a nutward, but I've been hospitalized before. Before they knew I had AS, so they called my sensitivity to light, sound, touch, etc. "psychotic symptoms." It was kind of like living in a dorm, since you have a roommate that you don't know at first. Except instead of going to classes, you go to groups and indivudual therapy and art therapy and milleau therapy. No, they can't force meds, at least my in my state, unless they get a court order. BUT if you do not take meds, you are considered "uncooperative."
Solitary confinement is now called the isolation room. I've never been in one--they can only put yu there is you are in active danger to yourself or others. And they can only keep you in t here long enough to get you under control.
Enemies? Rebellion? I personally was too depressed to do either! Some people might make enemies with their doc, if they don't agree with their treatment. But mostly, people are real sick and not interacting with others a whole lot, in my experience.
When you are in the hospital, you can't leave the ward for at least the first 24 hours. No cigarette breaks or anything are allowed, in my state, anyway. then you go up levels, depending on how well you are doing. When you are almost ready to go home, the can let you go on short passes, like for 2 hours or 3 hours. Your aren't allowed to have "contraband"--anything you could use to hurt yourself, like razors, shoelaces, knives, etc.
Being in the hospital is hard, but for me, it saved my life once. No, I didn't witness a suicide or murder or saved anyone's life. Most of the people aren't eccentric--they are real real sick--sick enough to be at the hospital. You might find people talking to themselves and stuff, but it's not too freaky. Just very sick people.
Democratic? No, it's not at all democratic. People are there often because they want to kill themselves, so they don't get a vote in the matter, at least for a short time.
I live in Washington State in the US. I don't know where you all live, but things may differ by state/country. And they certainly vary by person! |
we often used to say that we as patients were the only sane people and that the outside world was sick, very sick, were too sensitive for this world and that's why we ended up there. A person who wants to kill himself was over the top too sensitive and couldn't cope any longer. I met very very sane people there in the mental ward, at least in my unit.
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Followthereaper90
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no but im living kind of institution..not literally though anyway i do get restrained if i meltdown 
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angelgirl1224
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| no ive never been in a mental ward. |
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enamdar
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| I'm thinking of commiting myself, but not being cured. In a way it is utopian. Like Plato's Republic being watched over by authortian all-powerful guardians who are trying to fix you. There is complete equality, all your needs are met without work, and no private property. The trade of security for freedom. |
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I had to spend the night in emergency, three weeks ago, and I didn't even need to be there. Some friend of mine admitted me to emergency, because I'm obsessed with my favourite rock group, and believe me, the obsession isn't as bad as she made it out to be. I just told the two paramedics that I was going to give mainstream society a run for their money.
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wigglyspider
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Noo.. one girl I went to school with did because she swallowed glass, and we were all kind of impressed, especially when we got news of her escapes. It seemed exciting.
But we were all in a special school which I guess was a little like a mental ward because we would get restrained and put in a little room and stuff like that, and we all got really good at escaping and became really fast runners and climbers, hehehehe. Maybe that makes it sound kind of like a bad place, but it wasn't, it was a great school and I was so sad to leave.
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Eilidh
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 Yes, I was stuck in one for two weeks until last friday to be exact...
I can say this, It WAS NOT fun, there were NO other aspies, but I did make friends with someone who's brother is autistic, and a lady who was a reader for the blind, and there certainly was a schedule... though you had to share EVERYTHING, and if you went to be by yourself they had this ANNOYING habbit of asking "Eilidh, are you upset, or anything? You're not out there with the others..." and I said "Duh... think about that, NOISY!"
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I haven't, but my Mum was. It was a fairly open minded place, they let us visit every day. Even so, it smelled of urine, flatulence, and other people's sweat. My mum just lay there looking sad, until they let us take her home. Then she got better.
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BruceCM
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:46 am Post subject: Been in Mental Hospital! |
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| Yes, although it was in England, which may explain some differences. I was there for 3-4 months a few years ago, because of co-called hypomania. It wasn't too bad, although there wasn't really much actual help & they did pressure you to do the, for me, almost meaningless activities. However, I was able to talk to most of the other 'inmates' & got on OK with them & it wasn't too difficult to persuade the psychiatrist that I was near enough normal to get out again. |
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