 
Support Wrong Planet!
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
iamnotaparakeet
Si vis scire, quaeris. Si non vis scire, clamitas.
Joined: Aug 01, 2007
Age: 24
Posts: 14286
Location: Mars
|
 Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: Which of these two areas has more extreme racism? |
 |
|
The question is, does the southeastern part of the United States have more extreme racism than England?
In the "South" as it may be called, the form of racism is primarily based on the concentration of melanin in one's skin, particularly, whether a person has white skin or not. However, in England as I understand it, racism is not limited to the color, or colour, of one's skin, but to their country of origin and ancestry as well. For Italians, they are sometimes called "dagos" or "whops", for the French, they are called "frogs", for the Irish, they are called "Patties", and these are just the terms I know of. For the "South", as far as I know, there is only the N-word, but for the English, there are many more derogatory terms for many more peoples.
_________________
It's quite easy to sabotage a complex machine. It's another thing entirely to design and construct a complex machine that actually works. |
|
| Back to top |
|
jc6chan
President
Joined: Oct 22, 2009
Age: 19
Posts: 3607
Location: Toronto, Canada
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| England has so many terms because there is so much immigration to that country that indegenious people in England (or whites) feel that their culture, heritage and homeland is being threatened. Plus the White British population have low birth rates that can't sustain itself and some immigrants have higher birth rates. |
|
| Back to top |
|
iamnotaparakeet
Si vis scire, quaeris. Si non vis scire, clamitas.
Joined: Aug 01, 2007
Age: 24
Posts: 14286
Location: Mars
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| jc6chan wrote: | | England has so many terms because there is so much immigration to that country that indegenious people in England (or whites) feel that their culture, heritage and homeland is being threatened. Plus the White British population have low birth rates that can't sustain itself and some immigrants have higher birth rates. |
I have no idea what the terms for non-white persons are in England today, but the French, Italian, and Irish are all white also.
_________________
It's quite easy to sabotage a complex machine. It's another thing entirely to design and construct a complex machine that actually works. |
|
| Back to top |
|
jc6chan
President
Joined: Oct 22, 2009
Age: 19
Posts: 3607
Location: Toronto, Canada
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | jc6chan wrote: | | England has so many terms because there is so much immigration to that country that indegenious people in England (or whites) feel that their culture, heritage and homeland is being threatened. Plus the White British population have low birth rates that can't sustain itself and some immigrants have higher birth rates. |
I have no idea what the terms for non-white persons are in England today, but the French, Italian, and Irish are all white also. |
The terms for non-white persons are the same everywhere. |
|
| Back to top |
|
iamnotaparakeet
Si vis scire, quaeris. Si non vis scire, clamitas.
Joined: Aug 01, 2007
Age: 24
Posts: 14286
Location: Mars
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
Really? I don't think even racism can supersede necessary language differences.
_________________
It's quite easy to sabotage a complex machine. It's another thing entirely to design and construct a complex machine that actually works. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Wombat
Phoenix
Joined: Oct 08, 2006
Posts: 816
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
| iamnotaparakeet wrote: |
I have no idea what the terms for non-white persons are in England today, but the French, Italian, and Irish are all white also. |
Not for long. France is already 25% Muslim immigrants.
By 2050 there will not be a "white" country left on earth.
This is not to say I am a "racist". I admire Japanese people.
I also admire that the Japanese are smart enough not to let anyone else in.
In 2050 Japan will still be 99.9% Japanese. China will still be 99.9% Chinese etc.
The European Union thinks that Europe will somehow be "improved" by importing another 20 to 50 million uneducated Africans.
I am more a "culturist" than a "racist"
I don't think that (say) Ireland would be "improved" by a million Greeks moving there and I don't see that Greece would be improved by importing a million Irishmen.
Allow each country its own unique culture. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Tim_Tex
Eclectic
Joined: Jul 03, 2004
Age: 30
Posts: 34265
Location: Houston, Texas (interim)
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
Actually the most racist part of the U.S. is the Idaho Panhandle and northwestern Montana.
As far as racism goes in Texas, only two towns stand out: Jasper (where the James Byrd murder occurred), and Vidor (a KKK stronghold in the Beaumont-Port Arthur area). In general, Texas isn't a very racist state.
_________________
I do have beliefs that are complex, unconventional, and eclectic. If anyone has questions about them, feel free to refer to this thread:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt110144.html
Or PM or e-mail me. |
|
| Back to top |
|
TitusLucretiusCarus
Phoenix
Joined: Jan 17, 2009
Age: 24
Posts: 516
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
i think you mean 'paddie' for an Irishman, not 'pattie', often in the phrase 'paddie b**tard'.
Correct me if i'm wrong but I believe the figure quoted by Wombat may be highly misleading, the people arriving in mainland France or already residing there often originate in current or former departements outre mer (including arriving pre-independence in the case of algeria etc) which would have either made them french citizens at the time or making mainland France responsible for keeping such a crappy state of affairs in the ocuntry of origin (colonies tending to receive brutal treatment from the colonisers) and having at least some right to demand a return on the labour and lives stolen by the colonising power.
I also find it funny that Wombat will refute allegations of his being racist with the defence that he admires the Japanese for their racial purity.
I'd relate the appropriate terms in vogue amongst white racists today but I'm not sure it would be within the rules of WP
also I'm not sure one can really quantify racism to compare it beyond incidents per head of population which tells us nothing particularly about the severity of each 'incident' and nothing regarding the actual experience of the target of racist individuals. |
|
| Back to top |
|
ruveyn
Phoenix
Joined: Sep 22, 2008
Age: 73
Posts: 5913
Location: New Jersey
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Which of these two areas has more extreme racism? |
|
|
| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | The question is, does the southeastern part of the United States have more extreme racism than England?
|
Visit Boston Ma. sometime.
ruveyn |
|
| Back to top |
|
WhiskeyInTheJar
Blue Jay
Joined: Oct 24, 2009
Posts: 89
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
I have heard the Southeast is rather racist: black neighbourhoods where you re not safe as a white guy.
_________________
"God is dead". Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead". God |
|
| Back to top |
|
ascan
Phoenix
Joined: Feb 23, 2005
Posts: 2262
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
| jc6chan wrote: | | England has so many terms because there is so much immigration to that country that indegenious people in England (or whites) feel that their culture, heritage and homeland is being threatened... |
It's been normal across most of Britain for a long time to have names for people who come from a certain country, region or even area within a city. For example, a person from Somerset might refer to someone from Liverpool as a Scouser, a Welshman as a Taff, or a Pakistani as a Paki. This is normal vernacular in working-class areas of the west of England, with other parts of the country having their own terms. These terms aren't racist. Anybody who's worked in a male-dominated manual industry (none of the middle-class extreme leftists like TitusLucretiusCarus) will tell you how they were, and in some places still are, used as part of everyday banter.
Unfortunately, the political elite now insist on everyone conforming to their bland politically-correct adulteration of the English language. We aren't even allowed to acknowledge most of the time when someone is most definately not British, in other words, a foreigner. However, as is the case with most far-left policy, this situation is riddled with double-standards and hypocrisy. A gentleman from, say, Taunton (an area, and thus regional accent, associated with agriculture), may visit Scotland and be asked where he's parked his tractor. This will occur without incident. But to ask someone dressed in the strange garb of the Muslim faith where he's tied-up his camel would see you almost certainly arrested, and likely imprisoned. This is the sorry state to which our once great nation has sunk. We are now second-class citizens to a bunch of foreigners. |
|
| Back to top |
|
TitusLucretiusCarus
Phoenix
Joined: Jan 17, 2009
Age: 24
Posts: 516
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | It's been normal across most of Britain for a long time to have names for people who come from a certain country, region or even area within a city. For example, a person from Somerset might refer to someone from Liverpool as a Scouser, a Welshman as a Taff, or a Pakistani as a Paki. This is normal vernacular in working-class areas of the west of England, with other parts of the country having their own terms. These terms aren't racist. |
I'm yet to meet a welshman or a pakistani who fails to take offense at either of those terms. Those terms are racist, as are you.
| Quote: | | Anybody who's worked in a male-dominated manual industry (none of the middle-class extreme leftists like TitusLucretiusCarus) will tell you how they were, and in some places still are, used as part of everyday banter. |
err, no. now let's see. between birth and the age of two my father was the only wage earner in the household (a two bedroom, end of row terrace in the north of England) as an electrician on one of HM's submarines. From the age of two to five my father then changed to working as a postman, same house, sole wage earner. Parents split, had moved to a three bed terrace, family subsisting on benefits upto the age of twelve. at this point my mother was the sole wage earner initially on 11,500 in a call center, then 13,000 as a filing clerk. You have a bizarre conception of who constitutes middle-class. 'Everday banter' means the casual racism of many of the working class which has done not a thing to advance our interests as a class and, if anything, has diverted many of the working class from any kind of positive and constructive program - even within the limits of the capitalist system. Seriously if you intend to take me on on this issue you need to up your game big time.
| Quote: | | Unfortunately, the political elite now insist on everyone conforming to their bland politically-correct adulteration of the English language. We aren't even allowed to acknowledge most of the time when someone is most definately not British, in other words, a foreigner. However, as is the case with most far-left policy, this situation is riddled with double-standards and hypocrisy. A gentleman from, say, Taunton (an area, and thus regional accent, associated with agriculture), may visit Scotland and be asked where he's parked his tractor. This will occur without incident. But to ask someone dressed in the strange garb of the Muslim faith where he's tied-up his camel would see you almost certainly arrested, and likely imprisoned. This is the sorry state to which our once great nation has sunk. We are now second-class citizens to a bunch of foreigners. |
I think the legislation brought in by the liberals (from within the labour party) is absolutely inadequate - again, i've already made my opinion on liberal multiculturalism clear. I also think the opinions you express are an embarassment both to yourself and the class you purport yourself to represent. Racist abuse and abuse based on prejudiced ideas inferred from an indivduals accent are not equivalent in the least, at all (I can modualte my accent, but not my skin colour). However, they are both the actions of the ignorant and the witless. |
|
| Back to top |
|
iamnotaparakeet
Si vis scire, quaeris. Si non vis scire, clamitas.
Joined: Aug 01, 2007
Age: 24
Posts: 14286
Location: Mars
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Tim_Tex wrote: | Actually the most racist part of the U.S. is the Idaho Panhandle and northwestern Montana.
As far as racism goes in Texas, only two towns stand out: Jasper (where the James Byrd murder occurred), and Vidor (a KKK stronghold in the Beaumont-Port Arthur area). In general, Texas isn't a very racist state. |
I know that Texas is basically a non-racist area. I grew up in Dallas for my childhood and Denton for my youth. More racism in Minnesota where I live now.
_________________
It's quite easy to sabotage a complex machine. It's another thing entirely to design and construct a complex machine that actually works. |
|
| Back to top |
|
WhiskeyInTheJar
Blue Jay
Joined: Oct 24, 2009
Posts: 89
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
Parakeet, my dear fellow, your a scientific guy, but not very streetwise i think.
Science is your strength! Go for that!
_________________
"God is dead". Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead". God |
|
| Back to top |
|
ascan
Phoenix
Joined: Feb 23, 2005
Posts: 2262
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| TitusLucretiusCarus wrote: | | I'm yet to meet a welshman or a pakistani who fails to take offense at either of those terms. Those terms are racist, as are you. |
On that basis the majority of the country is racist. Anyway, I've seen plenty of Welsh called Taff, and Liverpudlians called Scouse without taking offence. Same with blacks, I've seen them called all sorts, and then give back as good as they got -- no need to run off to Gordon's Gestapo screaming "hate crime!" I've been all over the UK and been called many things myself because of my regional accent. People who take offence just need to develop a thick skin and realise it's not something the state should legislate on.
| TitusLucretiusCarus wrote: | | err, no. now let's see. between birth and the age of two my father was the only wage earner in the household (a two bedroom, end of row terrace in the north of England) as an electrician on one of HM's submarines. From the age of two to five my father then changed to working as a postman, same house, sole wage earner. Parents split, had moved to a three bed terrace, family subsisting on benefits upto the age of twelve. at this point my mother was the sole wage earner initially on 11,500 in a call center, then 13,000 as a filing clerk. |
Well, I can't be right all the time -- most of the time will do. I have wondered where your extreme leftists opinions originate. Often, a middle class (in the traditional sense) upbringing by parents with an arts or humanities degree is to blame. Based on the additional information offered, I would venture to give further opinion, but I'm conscious I may offend unnecessarily, and so will desist.
| TitusLucretiusCarus wrote: | | ...I also think the opinions you express are an embarassment both to yourself and the class you purport yourself to represent. Racist abuse and abuse based on prejudiced ideas inferred from an indivduals accent are not equivalent in the least, at all (I can modualte my accent, but not my skin colour). However, they are both the actions of the ignorant and the witless. |
There's an accusation! I don't represent any class. I have merely reported my observations and conclusions after having experienced time with these people. Clearly like many leftists, you have a sense of humour failure around certain subjects. I guess you won't be happy until we're all wearing Mao suits and address each other as comrade. In the meantime the rest of us, out of earshot of agents of the state, will continue enjoying politically-incorrect humour and banter ("abuse" as you put it) based on racial, national, and regional stereotype, just as the English have done for centuries. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
|
