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marchingmaniac
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 Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: Explain that with a opinion or a voice |
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| hi. I am a aspergers person obviously. BUT i am a aspergers person that has almost died three times!!! i find it amazing that the big man (God) is watching over me! but man have you ever felt something like that? i used to not believe but now i am the president of my church youth group and i am a mentor in the confirmation program just man. Can you believe that?! i find it amazing if i can cheat death a few times then theres somewhere i HAVE to be. |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Well, maybe. Maybe not. There are a few issues that come to mind.
1) What is the probability of defying death in the ways that you have, and 3 times?
2) Is there a correlation between defying death and the impact one has, holding other variables constant?
I mean, I can understand why a person who has gone through this would convert, the issue is that under most worldviews unlikely events will occur, especially with large numbers of trials(and there are over 6 billion people who each live a few decades), and thus the presence of an unlikely event doesn't really prove anything. The most that you could prove through your experience is perhaps that during these near-death events, the laws of physics were altered in some manner, but the problem is that you would have to know the laws of physics very well and be able to trust your perceptions during a very trying event in order to go that route.
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marchingmaniac
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | Well, maybe. Maybe not. There are a few issues that come to mind.
1) What is the probability of defying death in the ways that you have, and 3 times?
2) Is there a correlation between defying death and the impact one has, holding other variables constant?
I mean, I can understand why a person who has gone through this would convert, the issue is that under most worldviews unlikely events will occur, especially with large numbers of trials(and there are over 6 billion people who each live a few decades), and thus the presence of an unlikely event doesn't really prove anything. The most that you could prove through your experience is perhaps that during these near-death events, the laws of physics were altered in some manner, but the problem is that you would have to know the laws of physics very well and be able to trust your perceptions during a very trying event in order to go that route. |
well. I just know that my love for God has kept me strong and he saved me nothing else in more ways than one. This isnt really a question about physics but more of the knowledge of spirituality. That. Is what i know to be true in my heart. |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| marchingmaniac wrote: |
well. I just know that my love for God has kept me strong and he saved me nothing else in more ways than one. This isnt really a question about physics but more of the knowledge of spirituality. That. Is what i know to be true in my heart. |
Ok, so you don't rest your belief on external facts about your life, but internal experiences.
This means that the real question is one of psychological workings of the brain. That's probably a harder question to test. Though.... this does give me thinking.... Do you believe in the perseverance of saints? I am just curious, because a way to test the validity of this is to track the lifespans of a large number of individuals, selected based upon their religious experience, and test their personality traits, and test their religiosity over time. The first test of personality traits is to figure out whether belief in God is about something intrinsic to the individual, and the second test is because if saints persevere but if saints and non-saints both can have the same religious experience, then there is no reason to believe that religious experiences can lead to truth. (although, it could be argued that we have enough anecdotes to assume that there is at least one person who had the experience and later left the faith)
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marchingmaniac
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | marchingmaniac wrote: |
well. I just know that my love for God has kept me strong and he saved me nothing else in more ways than one. This isnt really a question about physics but more of the knowledge of spirituality. That. Is what i know to be true in my heart. |
Ok, so you don't rest your belief on external facts about your life, but internal experiences.
This means that the real question is one of psychological workings of the brain. That's probably a harder question to test. Though.... this does give me thinking.... Do you believe in the perseverance of saints? I am just curious, because a way to test the validity of this is to track the lifespans of a large number of individuals, selected based upon their religious experience, and test their personality traits, and test their religiosity over time. The first test of personality traits is to figure out whether belief in God is about something intrinsic to the individual, and the second test is because if saints persevere but if saints and non-saints both can have the same religious experience, then there is no reason to believe that religious experiences can lead to truth. (although, it could be argued that we have enough anecdotes to assume that there is at least one person who had the experience and later left the faith) |
my experiences and opinions and beliefs are actually both internal and external because that is exactly where God has worked for me. In the entire world around me. Be soul mind or body or upon the earth i stand he has been there for me. |
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| The emotional element in an unshakable belief is obviously so strong that a consideration from neutral logic is ineffective. We each base our fundamental beliefs on a psychological platform that underlies much of all we consider. My basis leaves no possibility for the bulk of religious assumptions that have no evidential support. When one's life is at stake in accepting a point of view that point of view is pretty unassailable. |
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