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| League_Girl wrote: | | Lot of people are banned from here and unfairly, I know some of those bans were reasonable but there have been unfair bannings. I go to Zomg and I2 and the people there have said they are banned from here. This was before Alex made the switch. Not all profiles have the letter X in them and say "banned." But yet the mods expect us here to be psychic by knowing whom is banned. I do not know every banned member here. I only know some. |
I don't know what's going on here exactly, but I've seen some those comments about people being unfairly banned and I believed them at first, but then I got to thinking, and actually talking to the moderators.. and how do you know that the people really were banned unfairly? Lots of times people come into this forum and say that they were unfairly banned from the chat, until somebody is like "um.. aren't you the one who was saying nasty things and spamming?" Many people on other sites claim that they were banned because they're better/smarter/cooler/whatever than whoever it was that banned them... How likely is it that that's actually the case, and how likely is it that such a person got banned for being nasty and acting like they're better than everybody else?
I don't know what's going on with this now, but I do know that most of the time, when someone is telling a story about how they've been so unfairly treated here, the story just doesn't add up. When I was new to WP somebody told me about how they kept getting unfairly threatened with banning, but I've seen that person stirring up trouble, and being dishonest and mean.
Whenever I feel like something may have happened unfairly and I PM a moderator and explain what I'm thinking and why, I get a decent explanation back from them. They try to avoid gossiping or spreading information that they consider private, but when I've been confused about why something happened or was inappropriate, and I explain why I'm confused about it, I get an answer that I can understand. When I've tried to ask for similar answers when I don't understand the behavior of the people who spread the nasty rumors about getting threatened with bans, I don't get a logical answer. I may not be able to tell when somebody is being honest by looking at their face, but if one person's story adds up, and the other person covers up gaps in their story with nasty comments, logic dictates that the person making sense is the one telling the truth.
Like I said.. I don't know what the current deal is with whatever is going on with your account, SG, hopefully it's some kind of glitch, there have been some weird ones lately.. I would think you'd have known if you were banned.
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| roadracer wrote: | | pikajedi3 wrote: | | roadracer wrote: | | I really do think this is a error, as it is posts and whole threads that are missing, along with everyones reply to them. Members just vanished into thin air, and every reply to them also. That does not happen when people are banned. I sure hope Alex is working on this, or are contacting the people to look into the problem. |
I'm not sure of the software here, but at other sites that I've had access to the back end of (at least, to the degree of the admin panel), it's possible to simply delete every post that has a certain word or phase in - for example, it's possible to delete every post by $generic_name, every post that has the word $generic_name and so on. |
yes, but that is not the way you ban people, normally if they ban a person it shows "banned", or a red X threw there avatar.
This problem is different, if you do a search on the missing people, you get posts were other members mentioned there names. The error makes it like the person was never here at all, it does away with every thread and post they have made, and in the thread they have made, it not only does away with there thread, but the reply to it. You can still acess some of the replys if you go to your list of all posts you have made, and click on the reply to that thread, but the OP who has vanished and posts are missing
(I am really bad with remembering names  and dont spend that much time here, so I am a little reluctact to try to name people I think might be missing) |
Deleting an account and banning are two different things, and just because it's against board policy to delete accounts doesn't mean it can't be done. And I have been on boards where deleting an account (done with spammers) deletes messages posted by that account.
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I have a feeling that the actual problem, the error that I talked about, that is going on with the forum will not be fixed, and the people that it is affecting will not be able to post here, simply because we turned this into a debate about bannings, and everyone will think that there is no actual error.
I really didnt post in this thread to talk about banning, that is really not a issue I wanted or want to talk about. I thought if there was a error preventing people from posting, that it should be taken care of so the people it is affecting can post, I have no intention on entering a debate about bans.
If Alex said he is working on it, then that is good, if there is a error, I really hope that he gets it fixed |
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I am not aware of entire threads disappearing.
Also, Spokane_Girl was never banned.
unfortunately, I am still trying to figure out what happened. The worst part is that backups are 2 weeks stale due to an unrelated glitch on the hosting side that has been fixed only today. Due to the severity of this issue I have had to remove moderator privileges for most of the moderators until we figure out what happened.
Regardless, restoring the lost member / post data will take hours if not days of work and I'm seriously angry especially since this deletion is causing issues on Wrong Planet's performance and may result in slowness and weird quirkiness when people try to access missing data. If this was caused by a moderator, the intent was clearly malicious, and that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter). |
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| League_Girl wrote: | Well it could be bad glitch since roadracer says the other members have vanished. But I mean posting under my husband's account, same issue occurs, then that account has vanished, My SG account and my old account likedcalico so it makes me think it's on purpose. Yeah I'm undecided on this issue but lot of me thinks it's the mod, little part of me says it's a glitch.
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When you posted from your husband's account.. was it the same computer? Maybe the problem is on your end, like a virus? If your computer picked up a trojan, somebody could have gotten your passwords and messed with your accounts.. that would explain the problems with your e-mail account too. That doesn't explain the actual disappearing of accounts.. but mods aren't able to make accounts disapear either, are they?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Maggiedoll wrote: | | League_Girl wrote: | | Lot of people are banned from here and unfairly, I know some of those bans were reasonable but there have been unfair bannings. I go to Zomg and I2 and the people there have said they are banned from here. This was before Alex made the switch. Not all profiles have the letter X in them and say "banned." But yet the mods expect us here to be psychic by knowing whom is banned. I do not know every banned member here. I only know some. |
I don't know what's going on here exactly, but I've seen some those comments about people being unfairly banned and I believed them at first, but then I got to thinking, and actually talking to the moderators.. and how do you know that the people really were banned unfairly? Lots of times people come into this forum and say that they were unfairly banned from the chat, until somebody is like "um.. aren't you the one who was saying nasty things and spamming?" Many people on other sites claim that they were banned because they're better/smarter/cooler/whatever than whoever it was that banned them... How likely is it that that's actually the case, and how likely is it that such a person got banned for being nasty and acting like they're better than everybody else?
I don't know what's going on with this now, but I do know that most of the time, when someone is telling a story about how they've been so unfairly treated here, the story just doesn't add up. When I was new to WP somebody told me about how they kept getting unfairly threatened with banning, but I've seen that person stirring up trouble, and being dishonest and mean.
Whenever I feel like something may have happened unfairly and I PM a moderator and explain what I'm thinking and why, I get a decent explanation back from them. They try to avoid gossiping or spreading information that they consider private, but when I've been confused about why something happened or was inappropriate, and I explain why I'm confused about it, I get an answer that I can understand. When I've tried to ask for similar answers when I don't understand the behavior of the people who spread the nasty rumors about getting threatened with bans, I don't get a logical answer. I may not be able to tell when somebody is being honest by looking at their face, but if one person's story adds up, and the other person covers up gaps in their story with nasty comments, logic dictates that the person making sense is the one telling the truth.
Like I said.. I don't know what the current deal is with whatever is going on with your account, SG, hopefully it's some kind of glitch, there have been some weird ones lately.. I would think you'd have known if you were banned. |
Well my account is still working and I can still see I am logged in. You don't have to believe me about my issues I had with one of the mods because you seemed to have better luck with them. In the past I would reply to their PMs and get no reply back when I would try and understand something. So I couldn't really understand and I had to just move on and forget about it making wild guesses analyzing the PMs. When I did tell the mod I didn't know the person was banned, that mod sends me a unfair final warning and accuses me of kidding with the mod and blowing them off. That mod said other things that upset me.
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League_Girl
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| roadracer wrote: | I have a feeling that the actual problem, the error that I talked about, that is going on with the forum will not be fixed, and the people that it is affecting will not be able to post here, simply because we turned this into a debate about bannings, and everyone will think that there is no actual error.
I really didnt post in this thread to talk about banning, that is really not a issue I wanted or want to talk about. I thought if there was a error preventing people from posting, that it should be taken care of so the people it is affecting can post, I have no intention on entering a debate about bans.
If Alex said he is working on it, then that is good, if there is a error, I really hope that he gets it fixed |
Those people can always re register like I did if their accounts can't be recovered. I registered just so I can post in this thread.
| Quote: | Also, Spokane_Girl was never banned.
unfortunately, I am still trying to figure out what happened. The worst part is that backups are 2 weeks stale due to an unrelated glitch on the hosting side that has been fixed only today. Due to the severity of this issue I have had to remove moderator privileges for most of the moderators until we figure out what happened. |
So that explains why I didn't really see them around. I'm glad I was never banned. I thought I was and then I thought I wasn't.
| Quote: | | When you posted from your husband's account.. was it the same computer? Maybe the problem is on your end, like a virus? If your computer picked up a trojan, somebody could have gotten your passwords and messed with your accounts.. that would explain the problems with your e-mail account too. That doesn't explain the actual disappearing of accounts.. but mods aren't able to make accounts disapear either, are they? |
Yes I did use this computer. I guess I'll run a virus scan. But everything was fine with my husband's account until I started posting with it. So it made me wonder coincidence or am I being attacked? |
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| I have serious discomfort, and actual stress, in association with a particular mod here also and have even begun to feel stalked in threads along with their ongoing intimidation tactics with a lot of unwanted PM's even when I have asked for distance from this person when unnecessary which also was not respected. I hope the problems are resolved quickly, whatever they may be. I love this place, otherwise. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Meadow wrote: | | I have serious discomfort, and actual stress, in association with a particular mod here also and have even begun to feel stalked in threads along with their ongoing intimidation tactics with a lot of unwanted PM's even when I have asked for distance from this person when unnecessary which also was not respected. I hope the problems are resolved quickly, whatever they may be. I love this place, otherwise. |
Report it to Alex, save all the PMs, you might need them for evidence. Copy them to word pad. I hope that's what you did. |
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| I still have them but I don't know how to copy them to word pad. It's emotionally hard for me to deal with a situation like this. I think the overall conduct on the forums is noticeably odd but I hardly want to deal with it personally. I have had enough of this kind of experience and don't need any more. However I can be helpful though I will. |
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| League_Girl wrote: | | Yes I did use this computer. I guess I'll run a virus scan. But everything was fine with my husband's account until I started posting with it. So it made me wonder coincidence or am I being attacked? |
Had he been signing in before that? If a virus were sending your keystrokes to somebody wanting hack accounts, then they would have gotten his password when you signed into his account. I'm not totally sure how often trojans transmit keystrokes vs. how often they steal data that was stored on your computer.
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| Maggiedoll wrote: | | League_Girl wrote: | | Yes I did use this computer. I guess I'll run a virus scan. But everything was fine with my husband's account until I started posting with it. So it made me wonder coincidence or am I being attacked? |
Had he been signing in before that? If a virus were sending your keystrokes to somebody wanting hack accounts, then they would have gotten his password when you signed into his account. I'm not totally sure how often trojans transmit keystrokes vs. how often they steal data that was stored on your computer. |
I kept his account signed in. Then I started posting and not too long later, within a few hours, same issue occured. Two other members I know had this issue too.
My husband doesn't come here, I used his account to view the boards I can't see unless you're signed in. He created his account the day after my birthday in 2007 and wasn't really interested in participating here. He doesn't do forums anymore. |
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| alex wrote: | I am not aware of entire threads disappearing.
If this was caused by a moderator, the intent was clearly malicious, and that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter). |
so in one sweeping gesture, you think of only one reason, the very worst you could think of and you throw every one of your moderators under the bus. Alex, the saddest thing is I actually thought when the chips were down, you be a better man than you are. 
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| alex wrote: | | I am not aware of entire threads disappearing. |
Spokane made a thread in this forum yesterday, the whole thread is now missing, and every thread she ever made on this forum, the whole threads with everyones reply to it. I was able to still access my replys by going to my all posts list, going threw and bringing them up, but it will only show some posts in the thread. I am guessing because all the posts of that person are missing, if they made a thread, then it is now imposible to view it without using the above methoad. I know for sure about Spokane's thread, but I can almost swear that there are a few other threads missing from other that were there yesterday, but it might just be my mind playing tricks on me, thats why I was hopeing that other members would come forward if they noticed other missing members, but that does not seem to be happening, probably because like in this thread they are just assuming they have been banned 
anyway, here is a example of the Spokane thread that I posted to yesterday that is now not here, that I can link to threw my "all posts" list
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2608219.html&highlight=#2608219
obvious there are posts missing from that thread, and it is not showing up
Not sure if that helps you at all
| Quote: | Also, Spokane_Girl was never banned.
unfortunately, I am still trying to figure out what happened. The worst part is that backups are 2 weeks stale due to an unrelated glitch on the hosting side that has been fixed only today. Due to the severity of this issue I have had to remove moderator privileges for most of the moderators until we figure out what happened.
Regardless, restoring the lost member / post data will take hours if not days of work and I'm seriously angry especially since this deletion is causing issues on Wrong Planet's performance and may result in slowness and weird quirkiness when people try to access missing data. If this was caused by a moderator, the intent was clearly malicious, and that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter). |
I DONT want to get in the middle of that, but I will point out that if this was caused by a mod, there is always the chance that it was a innocent error by them.
| sinsboldly wrote: | so in one sweeping gesture, you think of only one reason, the very worst you could think of and you throw every one of your moderators under the bus. Alex, the saddest thing is I actually thought when the chips were down, you be a better man than you are.
Merle |
Like I said, I dont want to get in the middle of anything, but is it possible that we all go under the assumption that it is a error untill proved otherwise. It usually does not lead to good things to throw out accusations and tempers at each other. Probably best to remain calm till everyone involved in it figures out what happend. This is my not picking sides, not wanting to get involved, only wanting things calm opinion  |
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| Maggiedoll wrote: | | League_Girl wrote: | Well it could be bad glitch since roadracer says the other members have vanished. But I mean posting under my husband's account, same issue occurs, then that account has vanished, My SG account and my old account likedcalico so it makes me think it's on purpose. Yeah I'm undecided on this issue but lot of me thinks it's the mod, little part of me says it's a glitch.
Yes Alex says he is working on this. |
When you posted from your husband's account.. was it the same computer? Maybe the problem is on your end, like a virus? If your computer picked up a trojan, somebody could have gotten your passwords and messed with your accounts.. that would explain the problems with your e-mail account too. That doesn't explain the actual disappearing of accounts.. but mods aren't able to make accounts disapear either, are they? |
A Keylogger might be an explanation, but a highly unlikely one - hackers generally are not interested in things like forum accounts, and if they were, why only here? why not at AFF, I^2, or any of the other sites she's at?
Depending on what privileges they have, Moderators may be able to delete accounts - over at AFF, Moderators can't, Super Moderators upwards can. Again, someone gaining access to her account and going through and deleting everything....highly unlikely, bordering on "no-way no-sir" - it's much simpler from the backend.
Occams Razor says that the most simple solution is most often the correct one.
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I am not aware of entire threads disappearing.
If this was caused by a moderator, the intent was clearly malicious, and that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter).
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so in one sweeping gesture, you think of only one reason, the very worst you could think of and you throw every one of your moderators under the bus. Alex, the saddest thing is I actually thought when the chips were down, you be a better man than you are.
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I think you're over-reacting by accusing him of throwing the moderator staff under a bus; It's simply the most logical course of action - temporarily limit how many people can fiddle with the backend, and you create a cleaner environment to investigate - if someone is maliciously pruning accounts, it helps prevent them from clearing out the logs (perhaps locking the stable door after the horse has bolted, but still...). As a moderator on another large aspie site, I would expect the owner to take that course of action, should there be the possibility of one of the staff was abusing their powers. I don't understand how this makes him a bad person, or rather, not "a better man". He has to apply the "throwing under a bus" to the entirety of his staff, or he may limit everyone but the deleter.
This is, of course, getting ahead of matters - there is no proof as I've seen that there is a deleter, but unless there is a major, major error in the forum software....and the software source happens to have been written by Cyberdyne Systems....it's the simplest, most logical explanation. |
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