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| Do you beleive in Jesus Christ? |
| Yes, I do. And I am saved. |
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| Yes. But I am not saved yet. |
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| No, I don't believe in Jesus Christ. |
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| No, I do not beleive in God at all. |
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| No, and I am an Atheist/Agnostic. God is irrelevant. |
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iamnotaparakeet
Si vis scire, quaeris. Si non vis scire, clamitas.
Joined: Aug 01, 2007
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Location: Mars
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| TheOddGoat wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | TheOddGoat wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Yes, I do. And I am saved. |
Oh no you're not.
| Quote: | | GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. |
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O_o
Wow, the random juxtaposition of text... impressive. |
You bear my sin tooooooooo. |
Well, via the validity of that hermeneutic, I shall throw a bear at you.
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Omerik
Toucan
Joined: Jan 26, 2010
Age: 20
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Wasn't sure what describes best, eventually selected the third one.
I'm a Jewish Agnostic, I guess. I'm considered "secular", but I don't think that since I've turned more "religious" it changed my behaviour or thinking somehow, at least not in the negative way people assume it to. I rejected the bible since I can remember myself, because of interpretations that I found hateful, irrational and "bad", so I only got closer to it when I started reading it again and seeing it does not mean what people say, at least not in the way I understand it.
I just a read it as an agnostic person who doesn't know whether there is a god or not, and hates "religious" morals - since I don't consider it as implying those values anyway, I don't find a problem with following it anymore, just with the way that some people do.
As for Jesus - I don't believe in him as a the saviour or in the way that most Christians do. If anything divine, he was a prophet in my opinion. But I don't consider him more divine than Moses, for example. I don't see the point in worshipping him from my Jewish point of view, even though I do appreciate his feelings, views and acts from most things I read about him.
If a "second coming" will occure, I don't see it as a second coming of Jesus more than a third coming of Daniel, or a fourth coming of Isaiah, etc. I really think that focusing on him at the personal level misses the things he stood for. |
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Omerik
Toucan
Joined: Jan 26, 2010
Age: 20
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| matt wrote: | I question whether Jesus Christ existed as an actual person, and I don't believe that the entity God exists.
I believe they are amalgamations of characters from fables, and that those fables were told so often and attempts were made to incorporate historical events into those fables that people started believing that the fables were true. |
Jesus probably existed, as Mohammed did, and as Haile Selassie did.
Of course it is a good question indeed, but most modern scholars, historicians and biblical criticists agree that he existed as a person, regardless of religious beliefs. Looks as people pretty much sought a person to follow as a Christ, and anyone who was considered righteous and patriot amongst the Jews was considered such by some people. So is the story of Simon Bar-Kokhba, leader of the revolt that eventually led to the exile of Jews.
Samaritans, who also believe in the same basic idea as we do, tend to reject a Jewish Messiah, claiming he would be a descendant of Joseph and not of David... But really, David himself was of gentile descent according to the Bible.
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Wombat
Phoenix
Joined: Oct 08, 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:11 am Post subject: |
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The Romans had the right idea.
Let everyone worship any god they wanted as long as they didn't bother anyone else with their daft superstition.
Someone should tell that to the Christians, Jews and Muslims. |
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Omerik
Toucan
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Age: 20
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Wombat wrote: | The Romans had the right idea.
Let everyone worship any god they wanted as long as they didn't bother anyone else with their daft superstition.
Someone should tell that to the Christians, Jews and Muslims. |
It was more likely a political tool - let everyone worship any god they wanted do, as long as they accepted your authority, and accepted your culture. Once they saw someone considered himself or others as a higher authority, or objected to their rule - to the cross (or slavery, or maybe just exile) you go.
The Israelites always had a sense of self-pride and nationality, either religious or not, at least among some of them, that's why we were usually sent to crosses and to exiles, and to schism between ourselves, the only way to change that was by force or death. Ask the Samaritans, Betha Israel, Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Bnei Menashe, etc...
And putting portraits of themselves in the temple wasn't really religiously tolerant. |
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SDFarsight
Sea Gull
Joined: Feb 13, 2008
Age: 22
Posts: 233
Location: Coventry
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Biased poll is biased. |
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GriffinGuitar12
Pileated woodpecker
Joined: Mar 29, 2009
Age: 22
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What do you mean by this?!?  I'm about 90% sure Jesus existed, but I think of him as just a human being, nothing more. Sure, he was an innovative one, but I don't think he was a god, nor the son of God. Somebody like that, in my personal opinion, would not be human, but the product of one's imagination (an "ultimate idol" of sorts). So yes, I believe Jesus existed, but does that mean I believe IN Jesus?!? Until recently, I always thought that "believing in Jesus" was the same as "believing Jesus existed". I've come to realize that perhaps this isn't necessarily so. |
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Shiznown
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Joined: Dec 22, 2009
Age: 21
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| I believe Christ is one way to God and he preached to Jews as a Jew and if the people were Hindu, he would have preached to them from a Hindu Perspective. I have many savior, but they are all manifestations of the same God. |
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Vexcalibur
Phoenix
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Is there a difference between 5) and 6) ?
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Awesomelyglorious
Destroyer of worlds, reaver of souls
Joined: Dec 18, 2005
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Location: Omnipresent
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | TheOddGoat wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | TheOddGoat wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Yes, I do. And I am saved. |
Oh no you're not.
| Quote: | | GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. |
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O_o
Wow, the random juxtaposition of text... impressive. |
You bear my sin tooooooooo. |
Well, via the validity of that hermeneutic, I shall throw a bear at you. |
Is the idea so that you bear his sin? Which kind of bear do you think is better for bearing sins? Polar? Grizzly? Black? Panda? Koala?
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AntonFeichtmeir
Butterfly
Joined: Feb 13, 2010
Age: 31
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | TheOddGoat wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | TheOddGoat wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Yes, I do. And I am saved. |
Oh no you're not.
| Quote: | | GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. |
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O_o
Wow, the random juxtaposition of text... impressive. |
You bear my sin tooooooooo. |
Well, via the validity of that hermeneutic, I shall throw a bear at you. |
Is the idea so that you bear his sin? Which kind of bear do you think is better for bearing sins? Polar? Grizzly? Black? Panda? Koala? |
when I was a kid, we sang a hymn in church "Gladly, the Cross-eyed Bear" Is this the same bear? |
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Raptor
Velociraptor
Joined: Mar 09, 2007
Posts: 492
Location: Southeast U.S.A.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Do I believe in Jesus Christ?
Yes I certainly do but I'm not sure about the whole "saved" thing.
I believe that if people are at least good about the important things in life (even when no one's looking) they will be rewarded.
The others are pretty much screwed. |
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Kalikimaka
Snowy Owl
Joined: Dec 12, 2009
Age: 19
Posts: 140
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe Jesus existed, I don't think he was supernatural. I think of God as more of an observer. |
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Obres
Velociraptor
Joined: Jul 14, 2007
Posts: 421
Location: NYC
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| His work was unverified, and unreproduceable, and his only major publication was written by his students and reviewed exclusively by those already biased towards his work. pfft. |
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Henriksson
Procrastination Embodied
Joined: Nov 24, 2008
Age: 18
Posts: 2554
Location: Sweden
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I don't understand how listing "No, I do not beleive in God at all." and "No, and I am an Atheist/Agnostic. God is irrelevant." as two seperate poll questions makes any sense at all. Could you please explain?
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