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techstepgenr8tion
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| The more I see these threads I'm getting more lost on what an 'ultra-conservative' is, whether that's Jerry Falwell types or just anyone who votes republican? I can agree on Westboros, I can agree on Laura Schlesinger types, if you're going further down the chain and qualifying pretty much anyone right of center though this is really just sounding like a bit of a tantrum - like you're coming off the rails a bit. Three 'ultraconservatives ________' threads in a matter of a few days. Are you feeling alright? |
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sartresue
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Mojave wrote: | | Friskeygirl wrote: | | Mojave wrote: | | sartresue wrote: | | Mojave wrote: | | Friskeygirl wrote: | | Conservatives don't debate, they bellow and throw hissy fits if no one listens to their insane pedantic psychobabble, unfortunately most conservatives in PPR are just to fracking stupid to know when to quit. Oh I highly doubt any liberal or true conservative was afraid of debating some tool like your banned friend, most knew him for what he was, a raciest lunatic, they just gave him enough rope and the rest was inevitable. |
Neither do Canadian Indian tards who run to the moderators every time someone says something they don't like. Oh and Canadian Metis are the worst, talk about an undeserved entitlement complex with the folks. |
Name calling topic
My oldest daughter is a member of this ethnic group, and would be offended to have her called a t***.
Please be advised, and you have been warned and reported.  |
Just stating a fact. This particular ethnic group is notorius for abusing the welfare system in Canada. They are tax exempt from everything, get free university education for their entire undergrads, they are even free to break the laws of the land. I have had it with this particular subgroups entitlement complex, and so are MANY Canadians. |
Listen here, I paid for my education and also pay income taxes like most other Canadians, unfortunately being native in Canada attracts resentment and out right hostility from the likes of lowlife bums like you, so shut your hole Sockpuppet |
First I am not a sockpuppet. Edited that part out, did ya? Secondly I am a well respected member of my community. I go to school, get good grades. I doubt you asre telling the truth. You don't pay taxes and your Metis. I am calling bullshit. No f***ing way. You either hardly have any Indian blood in you, or are outright lying. I weill assume the latter.
I will apologize for attacking you based on your ethnicity but that does not change the fact Canadian Natives have an entitlement complex that other Canadians don't recieve the same benefits they do, and that is unfair that you can have 1/6th of an Indian bloodline and still recieve things like a free university education and tax exemptions. Not even Jewish Canadians get that. |
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Such foolish statements. Please interview every single person of full/part First nations heritage to substantiate your claim.
My daughter is Metis, half Cree heritage. She is decended from Peter Fiddler (sometimes spelled Fidler), an important British explorer in the early nineteenth century and Cree Chief Mackagone in Manitoba.
Of this she is proud, as am I. But to you, this is meaningless. I do not care.
And if my daughter was to get grants for education (she did not) that is a drop in the bucket for all the crap her ancestors on her maternal side endured. Peter Fiddler was not one of those who fought against the First Nations people. It was racism and batant hatred by often well meaning people as well as from the vicious ones.
My daughter works in an administrative capacity for the TTC in Toronto and makes an excellent salary. And she pays high taxes, being single, owns her own late model car, and has just purchased a home. I could not help her with any of this financially. She did it herself.
And she is not an exception. Lots of challenges, as she grew up in in very common circumstances. There are many like her from all ethnic groups who have risen above the crap that society has pitched.
And if First Nations peoples do get a free education, I can see no better investment than a good education, in order to give back what was given.
I cannot stop you from being a racist, but I can speak up against your spewing such vomitous vitriol in this forum.
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Fuzzy
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Having been to several Canadian reservations I quickly changed my tune about said entitlements. While I would prefer that the reserve system be abolished, I can see that the problem isnt the people, its their chronic leadership, communal mechanism and probably the white politicians too. I was there for purely apolitical reasons: I was installing some digital equipment.
The natives off the reservation seem to do a heck of a lot better. I suppose its both a matter of distancing themselves from the social ills of the reservation or just being the sort of person that doesnt get tied up in that. For instance my dad subcontracted work to a man that lives on a reservation but despite his affluence "W" disallows any parties, social gatherings or unauthorized sharing of his material gains. However he is generous to a fault, if you let him make the choice.
They seem to be very caring and tight knit as people, sharing what they have, but it seemed like that gets exploited much too often.
I mean, if you give a white family a million bucks they are more than likely going to piss it away and end up poor. This is the fate of most lottery winners. If you give an native family 60,000 dollar oil royalty checks, pretending that its magically going to lift them out of the morass of poverty and dependence is akin to pretending that they are somehow different that the rest of humanity.
I dont know how lasting it is. The houses I was in were grungy and in ill repair. I know that they had received royalty checks for oil and gas a few years prior to my visit and that the local dealerships sent carrier trucks laden with new vehicles. The one hand giveth, and the other taketh away it seems. The dealers were just vultures. At least off the reservation it would have been harder to find the money holders.
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Friskeygirl
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| I don't think people understand what I am talking about, my mother was the product of the residential school system, so enough said. Mojave go f**k you self f**k all the raciest bastards like you, f**k Wrong Planet, I curse all the ignorant as*hole here to a life without happiness, misfortune and tragedy, Burn in Hell! |
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Dox47
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| Orwell wrote: | | It really isn't, but it goes both ways I don't see you objecting to such generalizations when they happen in reverse. |
I only tend to bother objecting when it's particularly hypocritical; hating conservatives for generalizing while making massive generalizations about them qualifies. I'd never stop correcting people if I stepped in every time someone did it.
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Jacoby
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| If you can't discuss this stuff without getting angry at someone who has a different opinion you probably shouldn't post or read the PPR section of WP. It's just an internet forum guys, why can't we get along? |
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Fuzzy
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| Mojave wrote: | | Secondly I am a well respected member of my community. |
You shouldnt be. You wouldnt be if people heard you talk. If they have, you are fooling yourself.
We are not fooled.
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visagrunt
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| Mojave wrote: | First I am not a sockpuppet. Edited that part out, did ya? Secondly I am a well respected member of my community. I go to school, get good grades. I doubt you asre telling the truth. You don't pay taxes and your Metis. I am calling bullshit. No f***ing way. You either hardly have any Indian blood in you, or are outright lying. I weill assume the latter.
I will apologize for attacking you based on your ethnicity but that does not change the fact Canadian Natives have an entitlement complex that other Canadians don't recieve the same benefits they do, and that is unfair that you can have 1/6th of an Indian bloodline and still recieve things like a free university education and tax exemptions. Not even Jewish Canadians get that. |
If you are going to get pedantic, at least have the good sense to be accurate before you climb on your soapbox.
"Canadian Natives" is a meaningless expression. Aboriginal Canadians form three distinct populations: First Nations, Inuit and Metis. Within First Nations are found "Status Indians" who are a particular class of people who are entitled to registration under the Indian Act and who have registered.
Only Status Indians are entitled exemptions from personal taxes, and only from taxes imposed on income earned on reserve or on purchases made on reserve. A status Indian who lives on reserve but works off-reserve pays taxes like everyone else. A status Indian who makes purchases off reserve pays GST/HST like everyone else. (Leaving aside the particular issue of modern treaties which end tax exemptions).
Status Indians who live on reserve may receive funding to attend post-secondary institutions. However, this support is provided by the band to its members, and demand far outstrips the money available to support prospective students. Furthermore, bands face the challenge of whether to provide full support for a few students (with a greater likelihood of success), or sub-standard support for a greater number of students (with a resulting decrease in the likelihood of success).
Your anger concerning the "entitlements" of status Indians relies on inaccurate perceptions, and fails to take into account the context in which most status Indians on reserve live.
A debate about aboriginal policy is a good thing. I don't even mind prejudicial opinions entering that debate. But I get angry when prejudice wraps itself in ignorance and pretends to be well informed.
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marshall
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| Jacoby wrote: | | If you can't discuss this stuff without getting angry at someone who has a different opinion you probably shouldn't post or read the PPR section of WP. It's just an internet forum guys, why can't we get along? |
You see. This is what gives me the impression that conservatives are callous and mean spirited. There's a parallel of a bully school yard bully (Mojave) who kept prodding and provoking a member until she finally snapped. Then you decide to rush to the defense of the bully who happens to belong to your own posse and attack the victim for lashing out. If you're not another racist bastard yourself can you please STOP DEFENDING THEM and ATTACKING THE VICTIM. It's sickening. |
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iamnotaparakeet
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| Orwell wrote: | | John_Browning wrote: | | Is that why liberals quietly had Hanoteaux banned? Were the liberals afraid to debate him? |
Has Hanotaux actually been banned? I wouldn't be surprised, since he was breaking pretty explicit forum rules, but still, racists have not historically been booted out of PPR. I don't think anyone was "afraid" to debate him, but after a brief time we all realized the futility of trying to have an adult conversation with a crazy person.
| Quote: | I dish it and take it
Hanoteaux dished it and took it
Dox47 dishes it and takes it
Iamnotaparakeet dishes it and takes it
Those are just the people I can think of off the top of my head. Conservatives are game for ant debate the liberals are up to, so quit being so self-righteous. |
Yeah, I actually will only agree to your description for Dox47, whose political views are idiosyncratic enough that I wouldn't lump him in with "conservatives" anyways. Yourself, keet, and Hanotaux have all been very quick in crying foul at the slightest transgression. I would say the three of you do (roughly) fit MP's criticisms in that you are happy to dish it out, but can't take it yourselves. |
Really now, I've been on the receiving end of plenty of insults and insinuations throughout the years that I've been here, and I've only bothered the moderators, I'd say, less than 10 times, or perhaps less than 5 even, even though I've received orders of magnitudes more personal attacks than that. I know that when people are angry they say things that they'll change their mind about later, so I try my best not to run off to the moderators tattling any time I get offended - which in PPR I could do so fairly easily just by browsing the titles of threads if I were seeking to take offense. |
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LKL
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'keet, calling the mods is not the only measure of 'not being able to take it.' You are capable of arguing rationally at times, but other times you refuse to present evidence for your own side or accept alternate evidence like the proverbial horse led to water, and start repeating your mantra of whatever it is you were arguing for/against. On those occasions, I have been known to openly mock your behavior.
You're not a saint yourself in terms of respecting the opposite view; you continually open 'ironic' threads with the premise that liberals want to take away free speech like the thought police (to take the most current example). If you can start whole threads mocking us, why do you complain (as you have) when we mock you back? |
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iamnotaparakeet
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| LKL wrote: | 'keet, calling the mods is not the only measure of 'not being able to take it.' You are capable of arguing rationally at times, but other times you refuse to present evidence for your own side or accept alternate evidence like the proverbial horse led to water, and start repeating your mantra of whatever it is you were arguing for/against. On those occasions, I have been known to openly mock your behavior.
You're not a saint yourself in terms of respecting the opposite view; you continually open 'ironic' threads with the premise that liberals want to take away free speech like the thought police (to take the most current example). If you can start whole threads mocking us, why do you complain (as you have) when we mock you back? |
Where am I complaining about being mocked back? In arguing with hyperlexian perhaps?
Anyhow, you're right that sometimes I don't bother listening, but how am I different than anyone else here in that respect? All too often people latch unto a keyword and hold it with a death-grip. I may not be a saint in the respecting of other people's views, but I try my best to put up with attacks and mocking performed against me. |
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Jacoby
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| marshall wrote: | | Jacoby wrote: | | If you can't discuss this stuff without getting angry at someone who has a different opinion you probably shouldn't post or read the PPR section of WP. It's just an internet forum guys, why can't we get along? |
You see. This is what gives me the impression that conservatives are callous and mean spirited. There's a parallel of a bully school yard bully (Mojave) who kept prodding and provoking a member until she finally snapped. Then you decide to rush to the defense of the bully who happens to belong to your own posse and attack the victim for lashing out. If you're not another racist bastard yourself can you please STOP DEFENDING THEM and ATTACKING THE VICTIM. It's sickening. |
It wasn't directed at anybody just in general. Doesn't matter if you're conservative, liberal, or whatever. |
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marshall
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| Jacoby wrote: | | marshall wrote: | | Jacoby wrote: | | If you can't discuss this stuff without getting angry at someone who has a different opinion you probably shouldn't post or read the PPR section of WP. It's just an internet forum guys, why can't we get along? |
You see. This is what gives me the impression that conservatives are callous and mean spirited. There's a parallel of a bully school yard bully (Mojave) who kept prodding and provoking a member until she finally snapped. Then you decide to rush to the defense of the bully who happens to belong to your own posse and attack the victim for lashing out. If you're not another racist bastard yourself can you please STOP DEFENDING THEM and ATTACKING THE VICTIM. It's sickening. |
It wasn't directed at anybody just in general. Doesn't matter if you're conservative, liberal, or whatever. |
I thought you were responding to Friskeygirl because your post was right below hers. She was being civil until someone called her a name and all hell broke loose. |
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