iamnotaparakeet
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| emlion wrote: | | heaven forbid someone gets upset and needs some help! |
Yes, people should be able to get help when they are upset or depressed, and being harassed is usually not helpful to anyone. |
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emlion
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | emlion wrote: | | heaven forbid someone gets upset and needs some help! |
Yes, people should be able to get help when they are upset or depressed, and being harassed is usually not helpful to anyone. |
exactly.
still it probably made RandomSniper feel good to put someone else down. |
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CosmicRuss
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For anyone feeling suicidal they might feel better talking to someone, so I would like to post a link to an index of worldwide befriending services.
http://www.befrienders.org/index.asp
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iamnotaparakeet
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| emlion wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | emlion wrote: | | heaven forbid someone gets upset and needs some help! |
Yes, people should be able to get help when they are upset or depressed, and being harassed is usually not helpful to anyone. |
exactly.
still it probably made RandomSniper feel good to put someone else down. |
I think he's banned now though, so discussion of him specifically would probably be against the TOS, but in general, yes, bullies do tend to emotionally feed off of their victims reactions like some kind of Outer-Limit's-equese alien leach. |
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iamnotaparakeet
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This is actually on topic, so quoting it for the purpose of getting the thread back on track:
| CosmicRuss wrote: | For anyone feeling suicidal they might feel better talking to someone, so I would like to post a link to an index of worldwide befriending services.
http://www.befrienders.org/index.asp |
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emlion
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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oh right.
& nice link.
talking is always a good idea.
much better than doing it. |
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MidlifeAspie
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RandomSniper was a sockpuppet just trying to rile people up. Please disregard his tripe 
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| if you'd read back you'd see why it's here. |
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sartresue
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Depths of depression topic
In the LGBT forum right now, there is a thread that (paraphrased) says that WP does not care if someone wants to end his/her life, and cites You-Tubes for the reader to ponder this.
I can see where the anger is coming from, in terms of the LGBT community.
The suicide/murder of which she speaks happened long ago and was certainly not typical, and did not involve LGBT, as far as is known.
People suffering from depression need to get help from real counsellors in person, and not rely on the internet to solve their deep-seated and complex problems. However, when I have seen a posting about a depressed person (and I do not frequent the Haven as often as I used to) I have called the police in my area and ask for advice, as I have no idea where the person is posting from.
If mods see such a post, I hope they have the tools to find out where the person is, and perhaps alert the police/authorities in the depressed poster's area.
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Volodja
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| sartresue wrote: |
In the LGBT forum right now, there is a thread that (paraphrased) says that WP does not care if someone wants to end his/her life, and cites You-Tubes for the reader to ponder this. |
Can you post a link? I couldn't find the post |
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MidlifeAspie
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| Volodja wrote: | | sartresue wrote: |
In the LGBT forum right now, there is a thread that (paraphrased) says that WP does not care if someone wants to end his/her life, and cites You-Tubes for the reader to ponder this. |
Can you post a link? I couldn't find the post |
It was spammed on every forum on the site. It has been removed everywhere except the wrongplanet.net discussion forum.
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I have been asked to read this thread and provide my opinion on this topic. So hear goes.
Suicide threads are a very delicate and serious matter and probably the most serious topic that any member or Moderator will encounter on this forum. We are talking about someones life here ladies and gentlemen. If not handled properly, the person in question could commit suicide and Alex and possibly members of WrongPlanet.net could end up as defendants in a wrongful death suit. I highly doubt that any of you would want that to happen. My suggestion to the mods is to put up a sticky in the Haven providing numbers to suicide hotlines and links to online support sites in countries where WP has the highest membership concentrations. At the current moment, membership seems to be concentrated in The U.S., The U.K., Canada, and Australia. Also, if necessary, find members with experience in the Mental Health field and ask if they could offer any assistance.
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MidlifeAspie
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| PM wrote: | | I have been asked to read this thread and provide my opinion on this topic. |
By whom?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| MidlifeAspie wrote: | | PM wrote: | | I have been asked to read this thread and provide my opinion on this topic. |
By whom? |
I spoke to Moog via message earlier this morning about a suicide thread and he said I should read this thread and make a reply.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| PM wrote: | I have been asked to read this thread and provide my opinion on this topic. So hear goes.
Suicide threads are a very delicate and serious matter and probably the most serious topic that any member or Moderator will encounter on this forum. We are talking about someones life here ladies and gentlemen. If not handled properly, the person in question could commit suicide and Alex and possibly members of WrongPlanet.net could end up as defendants in a wrongful death suit. I highly doubt that any of you would want that to happen. My suggestion to the mods is to put up a sticky in the Haven providing numbers to suicide hotlines and links to online support sites in countries where WP has the highest membership concentrations. At the current moment, membership seems to be concentrated in The U.S., The U.K., Canada, and Australia. Also, if necessary, find members with experience in the Mental Health field and ask if they could offer any assistance. |
For WP (which means Alex) to properly manage this legal risk he needs to take the steps that a reasonably prudent person would do in his circumstances. As the owner and controller of this site he might not (depending upon the jurisdicition involved) be privileged to be a bystander. Furthermore, having create a website in which there are moderators, it may become incumbent upon him to ensure that the services of moderators are effective. Insufficient numbers and insufficient coverage during certain hours would be structural deficits that are both foreseeable and potentially causally linked.
I think the correct answer to a suicide post is a single post from a moderator (deleting all other posts) directing the member to the sticky listing links and phone numbers for support (I like the idea of putting this as a sticky in the Haven), and then locking the thread. An corresponding PM can also be sent.
We may feel the urge to be helpful, and to say kind things. But I think the ability to do that also creates the possibility for mischief on the part of others. The safest course of action for WP is, I suggest, to foreclose that mischief.
Putting on my doctor hat, I do not think the last suggestion is advisable, or practical. I know that I certainly would not offer specific medical advice to any WP member, and I would expect the same response from any other physician (including a psychiatrist) or counselling psychologist.
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