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SyphonFilter
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| Verdandi wrote: | | SyphonFilter wrote: |
Yeah, people who get assistance should get a basic cell phone, at the least. Notice that I said basic cell phone, not smartphone. Here's a few questions for all of us at WP to ponder: how can one tell who's "abusing the system" and who's not? Does it come down to trust? What kinds of evidence definitively prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that someone is disabled? |
There is assistance in the US to get cell phones.
I'm on assistance and I pay $30/month for my cell phone service. I can do twitter, facebook, e-mail, etc. Definitely not a smart phone, though.
I should note that Wrong Planet really needs a mobile friendly page. Or if there is one, I haven't found the option/address. |
Totally agree with you that WrongPlanet needs a mobile page for users "on the go". |
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cyberscan
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| Verdandi wrote: | | cyberscan wrote: | | It sounds like you live in the Police States of Amerika. I have "full blown autism," and I was rejected as well. I also have a lawyer to fight for me as well. |
Is that your first application, reconsideration, or all the way to appeal? |
This will be my first hearing n front of an administrative judge.
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Sweetleaf
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| SyphonFilter wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Slightly un-related but....another thing that irritates me about disablity in general is people get all pissy if someone on welfare owns anything nice. I mean what if someone is on welfare because of disability they should wear filthy old clothes, torn up shoes and be without a cell phone, lap top or video game system otherwise they are 'abusing the system' I mean what the hell quality of life is actually important for mental health. |
Yeah, people who get assistance should get a basic cell phone, at the least. Notice that I said basic cell phone, not smartphone. Here's a few questions for all of us at WP to ponder: how can one tell who's "abusing the system" and who's not? Does it come down to trust? What kinds of evidence definitively prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that someone is disabled? |
Well if I had been approved for SSI, I think I would have kept my pay as you go 'smart phone' lol...its not that terribly impressive but it is my mp3 player, camra and has a keyboard for texting. But yes I could argue that I need a phone with the keyboard so I can text since talking on the phone makes me uncomfortable due to the aspergers. |
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Verdandi
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| Bloodheart wrote: | | Verdandi wrote: | | Some government official in England got fairly derisive about a disabled person being on twitter and suggested that being able to tweet meant that they perhaps weren't as disabled as they claimed to be. |
During my medical assessment for ESA they asked questions like 'Do you use Facebook?'
If you do it means you can sit in front of a computer, thus work in positions such as call centre jobs for example. The way in which they ask these questions it makes it sound like they're just chatting with you so it's easy to be tricked into answering them and so unknowingly saying you can do something that you actually can't, it's really unfair. |
Oh, right, because sitting in front of a computer to use Facebook is exactly like sitting in front of a computer to do any kind of work.
How can they determine that you can work just from whether you use social networks? I can sit in front of a computer, but I can't sit in front of a computer in many office environments because they're noisy and filled with people and fluorescent lights. |
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SyphonFilter
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | SyphonFilter wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Slightly un-related but....another thing that irritates me about disablity in general is people get all pissy if someone on welfare owns anything nice. I mean what if someone is on welfare because of disability they should wear filthy old clothes, torn up shoes and be without a cell phone, lap top or video game system otherwise they are 'abusing the system' I mean what the hell quality of life is actually important for mental health. |
Yeah, people who get assistance should get a basic cell phone, at the least. Notice that I said basic cell phone, not smartphone. Here's a few questions for all of us at WP to ponder: how can one tell who's "abusing the system" and who's not? Does it come down to trust? What kinds of evidence definitively prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that someone is disabled? |
Well if I had been approved for SSI, I think I would have kept my pay as you go 'smart phone' lol...its not that terribly impressive but it is my mp3 player, camra and has a keyboard for texting. But yes I could argue that I need a phone with the keyboard so I can text since talking on the phone makes me uncomfortable due to the aspergers. |
It seems that many cell phones nowadays come with conveniences once found only on Droids, BlackBerry's, and iPhones, so I guess you'd get texting and internet as part of whatever usage contract you have with the phone company. Not to mention that many phone companies provide TV, phone, and high-speed internet services bundled under one bill. |
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jojobean
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Did you know that 99 percent of people who apply for disability are rejected?? The system is set up to reject everyone who comes in the door becides those who are practicly totally immoble or have MR. even if you apeal, 99 percent of those who appeal are rejected, and it is not until a lawyer is involved that the stastistics change. 89 percent of those who take it to court actually win.
so save the hassile, just get a lawyer, but make sure that he/she only gets paid if you get benifits. I hear they are talking about doing away with back payments. Normally you get all your payments from the time you applied till when you are approved in one lump sum, well due to budget battles they are talking about doing away with that which will make paying for a lawyer more expensive. So you need to get a lawyer and get it over with before this hits Obama's desk.
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abyssquick
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| The thing that bothers me is that there seems to be an endless list of HYPOTHETICAL jobs a person with Autism can do. I can use a keyboard, and sit at a desk. I can drive. I can write. Hypothetically, there are jobs involving only these things. But there are not any ACTUAL jobs right now, especially in the US economy. Is someone going to find me this hypothetical job...? Guarantee that I get it? (my understanding is that I have to be a relative of my prospective employer...) Or is the fact that people can think up these hypothetical, ideal scenarios evidence enough to disqualify a person with autism from assistance of any kind....? |
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Sweetleaf
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| SyphonFilter wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | SyphonFilter wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Slightly un-related but....another thing that irritates me about disablity in general is people get all pissy if someone on welfare owns anything nice. I mean what if someone is on welfare because of disability they should wear filthy old clothes, torn up shoes and be without a cell phone, lap top or video game system otherwise they are 'abusing the system' I mean what the hell quality of life is actually important for mental health. |
Yeah, people who get assistance should get a basic cell phone, at the least. Notice that I said basic cell phone, not smartphone. Here's a few questions for all of us at WP to ponder: how can one tell who's "abusing the system" and who's not? Does it come down to trust? What kinds of evidence definitively prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that someone is disabled? |
Well if I had been approved for SSI, I think I would have kept my pay as you go 'smart phone' lol...its not that terribly impressive but it is my mp3 player, camra and has a keyboard for texting. But yes I could argue that I need a phone with the keyboard so I can text since talking on the phone makes me uncomfortable due to the aspergers. |
It seems that many cell phones nowadays come with conveniences once found only on Droids, BlackBerry's, and iPhones, so I guess you'd get texting and internet as part of whatever usage contract you have with the phone company. Not to mention that many phone companies provide TV, phone, and high-speed internet services bundled under one bill. |
I have a net 10 pay as you go phone, I don't have a set income really so I feel thats the way to go so I am not obligated to pay a bill every month. |
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League_Girl
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 2:33 am Post subject: Re: How dare they discriminate against Aspergers? |
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| Dark_Lord_2008 wrote: | Despite severe social anxiety , depression and Aspergers: I was recently rejected the disabled pension. The government discriminates against Aspergers and does not even believe it even exists.
My claim was denied because I was not disabled enough and they believe I can work 15 hours a week within the next two years(main criteria of determining eligibility for disabled pension). Screw the government they can go to Hell.
Alcoholics and junkies get disabled pensions easier than people with Aspergers. It is a disgrace how the welfare system operates. Stuck with the lower welfare payment and forced to look for work or studyon the unemployment benefits.
Has anyone been rejected a disability claim from the government? |
Once and that was SSDI but I didn't care because I didn't even need it then.
| Quote: | | Slightly un-related but....another thing that irritates me about disablity in general is people get all pissy if someone on welfare owns anything nice. I mean what if someone is on welfare because of disability they should wear filthy old clothes, torn up shoes and be without a cell phone, lap top or video game system otherwise they are 'abusing the system' I mean what the hell quality of life is actually important for mental health. |
That pisses me off too. I was very amazed at Babycenter about the judgments people can make based on what items they have or what kind of car they drive or what they wear. I guess that means anything nice we get from our parents or from anyone else we must give back.
I mean what are poor people expected to do, sit at home and be bored because they aren't allowed to have video games or movies? What about books? Are they allowed books too?
Oh and don't get me started on foodstamps, are children with parents on it not allowed a birthday cake or some special food they want for their birthday? Are children with parents on it not allowed dessert or some pop every now and then? Are poor people not allowed to have some sweets or pop every now and then? I was also amazed at the judgments people make about it. They think if you're on foodstamps, you shouldn't get pop or anything unhealthy or you're "abusing the system." Last time I saw, I have seen a 12 pack being sold for under just five bucks at Wal Mart or a $1.98 at Wincos for Shasta when they were having a sale going on. And poor people can't afford that if they are on foodstamps?  It's like they don't even realize you only get so much for every month and once they're gone, they're gone until the new month comes. But until then, they have to use their own money to buy their food. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 2:37 am Post subject: Re: How dare they discriminate against Aspergers? |
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| League_Girl wrote: | | Dark_Lord_2008 wrote: | Despite severe social anxiety , depression and Aspergers: I was recently rejected the disabled pension. The government discriminates against Aspergers and does not even believe it even exists.
My claim was denied because I was not disabled enough and they believe I can work 15 hours a week within the next two years(main criteria of determining eligibility for disabled pension). Screw the government they can go to Hell.
Alcoholics and junkies get disabled pensions easier than people with Aspergers. It is a disgrace how the welfare system operates. Stuck with the lower welfare payment and forced to look for work or studyon the unemployment benefits.
Has anyone been rejected a disability claim from the government? |
Once and that was SSDI but I didn't care because I didn't even need it then.
| Quote: | | Slightly un-related but....another thing that irritates me about disablity in general is people get all pissy if someone on welfare owns anything nice. I mean what if someone is on welfare because of disability they should wear filthy old clothes, torn up shoes and be without a cell phone, lap top or video game system otherwise they are 'abusing the system' I mean what the hell quality of life is actually important for mental health. |
That pisses me off too. I was very amazed at Babycenter about the judgments people can make based on what items they have or what kind of car they drive or what they wear. I guess that means anything nice we get from our parents or from anyone else we must give back.
I mean what are poor people expected to do, sit at home and be bored because they aren't allowed to have video games or movies? What about books? Are they allowed books too?
Oh and don't get me started on foodstamps, are children with parents on it not allowed a birthday cake or some special food they want for their birthday? Are children with parents on it not allowed dessert or some pop every now and then? Are poor people not allowed to have some sweets or pop every now and then? I was also amazed at the judgments people make about it. They think if you're on foodstamps, you shouldn't get pop or anything unhealthy or you're "abusing the system." Last time I saw, I have seen a 12 pack being sold for under just five bucks at Wal Mart or a $1.98 at Wincos for Shasta when they were having a sale going on. And poor people can't afford that if they are on foodstamps? It's like they don't even realize you only get so much for every month and once they're gone, they're gone until the new month comes. But until then, they have to use their own money to buy their food. |
My childhood was bad enough, but it would have been so much worse without the food stamps......at least we had the luxary of eating generic knock offs of popular brand name cerials. |
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League_Girl
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| Bloodheart wrote: | | Verdandi wrote: | | Some government official in England got fairly derisive about a disabled person being on twitter and suggested that being able to tweet meant that they perhaps weren't as disabled as they claimed to be. |
During my medical assessment for ESA they asked questions like 'Do you use Facebook?'
If you do it means you can sit in front of a computer, thus work in positions such as call centre jobs for example. The way in which they ask these questions it makes it sound like they're just chatting with you so it's easy to be tricked into answering them and so unknowingly saying you can do something that you actually can't, it's really unfair. |
I think that's ridiculous. By their logic, my inlaws can work then (since they can use the computer) while the doctor has told my father in law he can't and my mother in law can't work due to something in her brain and it caused her to lose her job. |
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Apple_in_my_Eye
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| jojobean wrote: | so save the hassile, just get a lawyer, but make sure that he/she only gets paid if you get benifits. I hear they are talking about doing away with back payments. Normally you get all your payments from the time you applied till when you are approved in one lump sum, well due to budget battles they are talking about doing away with that which will make paying for a lawyer more expensive. So you need to get a lawyer and get it over with before this hits Obama's desk.
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Yeah, and for those who don't know, a lawyer can/may take your case contingent on you getting approved and getting those back payments (which go back to the date or your first application, which is usually at least a year). And if you don't get approved, then s/he doesn't get paid. So, there is incentive for them to do a good job.
I was reading an old thread where someone had paid a lawyer to help them apply for SSDI/SSI. I could be wrong, but it sounded like the lawyer might've cheated him.
A lawyer you hire is someone you're supposed be able to trust (and you really have little choice), which can make it doubly treacherous when they are "bad" (act in bad faith; don't do their job properly). I had to deal with a (not hugely serious) situation for my parents where I had to fire the first layer and hire another. That sucks and is hard when the person you're firing is "the expert," and you can't tell if they're telling the truth or lying to protect their a** and stay employed. (And that doesn't include the stress, if you hate confronting people.) So, if one won't take your case on contingency, then I'd say keep trying to find one who will.
(I figure lawyers' attitudes towards disability will be a cross section of society's. And that means some of them may see most people applying for benefits as not really needing them and trying to cheat the system. And some may decide, "why not cheat the wanna-be cheats? It's would almost be moral to do that.") |
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ci
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I was approved the first time. Having so many documentation from professionals growing up and then at the time of applying seemed to have helped. But a lawyer did all the paperwork as I am not good with paperwork. Also I cannot stand the idea of the prospect of not working. So since I've been on it and even before my focus in life is being self-sufficient. Since 10 years old or so and even at the age of 7 working has been my interest. I would like to work 15 hours a week in the mainstream. That is why I created an inclusion campaign where I live.
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nirrti_rachelle
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Unfortunately, I'd suggest that anyone who can remotely do any kind of job, even if it results in a nervous breakdown/getting sicker, do it. At least when you end up in a psych ward or in intensive care, they can't say that you're "faking it" to work the system.
This society doesn't give a sh*t about its people and they think anyone who has a disability is a waste on resources. If they could, they would probably euthanize anyone whom they think just might cost them money. The only reason they don't is that it's become one of those "socially unacceptable" things since we beat the Nazis.
Anyone who applies for assistance might need to lie a little or exaggerate. People who really need help from government entities have always done it as a means of self preservation. They know they can't make it without assistance and it's better to lie than to end up homeless or hungry. Besides, the system is designed specifically to hinder people who need help the most and does NOT play fair.
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ci
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Heh.. Fraud is a crime and against the law.
Heh.. People are not always mean like that.
Your reply is depressing but I think comes from depression.
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