nirrti_rachelle
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| ci wrote: | Heh.. Fraud is a crime and against the law.
Heh.. People are not always mean like that.
Your reply is depressing but I think comes from depression. |
Oh no. Unfortunately, it is just that grave. I've seen too much to think the neglect of those with disabilities is all due to benign, isolated circumstances.
And I'm not suggesting "fraud" either. If you need help and the system is supposed to and it doesn't, it's their failure to do their job.
They are often ignorant of what it means to have a disability so one really needs to exaggerate in order for them to even understand that you really need help. They do not understand the nuances of a disability like asperger's so you'll have to make it very clear to them you absolutely cannot work.
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Apple_in_my_Eye
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| nirrti_rachelle wrote: | | Unfortunately, I'd suggest that anyone who can remotely do any kind of job, even if it results in a nervous breakdown/getting sicker, do it. At least when you end up in a psych ward or in intensive care, they can't say that you're "faking it" to work the system. |
I actually basically tried that and it was still bad. I ended up unable to work at all (physically or cognitively), and only had a diagnosis of CFS, which by itself is a diagnosis of "no-one-takes-this-seriously syndrome." Among other things, I passed out in the parking lot at work twice, once ending up in the ER. But they called it 'dehydration' (after accusing me of being on drugs), so it wasn't any help.
Luckily, I still had $2000 in the bank, which I spent on tests which I knew would be taken seriously, and fortunately that was enough. (And I had to arrange all of it myself because even my doctors were not taking me seriously (until those test results came back).) If I hadn't had that money, I would've been screwed.
But anyway, yeah: the system sucks.
| Quote: | | This society doesn't give a sh*t about its people and they think anyone who has a disability is a waste on resources. If they could, they would probably euthanize anyone whom they think just might cost them money. The only reason they don't is that it's become one of those "socially unacceptable" things since we beat the Nazis. |
Yeah, but euthanizing people costs money and why waste money on worthless, disabled trash? Soylent Green or compost -- that's the moral way to deal with those slackers. Maybe they could fight each other to the death in a cage or something.
(Because they all are slackers, you know. If G-d had wanted them not to be punished & made into compost, then he wouldn't have made them ill and poor in the first place!)
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| Quote: | | Anyone who applies for assistance might need to lie a little or exaggerate. People who really need help from government entities have always done it as a means of self preservation. They know they can't make it without assistance and it's better to lie than to end up homeless or hungry. Besides, the system is designed specifically to hinder people who need help the most and does NOT play fair. |
In a perfect world there would never be a need for that, but this is far (far, far, far) from a perfect world. I have a hard time judging someone facing being homeless while ill or g-d knows what circumstance, and doing what they need to do to survive.
(OTOH, the people on Wall Street, who legally steal so much money, can rot in hell for all I care.)
And anyone who thinks "legal" and "illegal" is the same as "moral" and "immoral" needs to examine the workings of the world more closely. |
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cyberscan
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Apple_in_my_Eye wrote: | | nirrti_rachelle wrote: | | Unfortunately, I'd suggest that anyone who can remotely do any kind of job, even if it results in a nervous breakdown/getting sicker, do it. At least when you end up in a psych ward or in intensive care, they can't say that you're "faking it" to work the system. |
I actually basically tried that and it was still bad. I ended up unable to work at all (physically or cognitively), and only had a diagnosis of CFS, which by itself is a diagnosis of "no-one-takes-this-seriously syndrome." Among other things, I passed out in the parking lot at work twice, once ending up in the ER. But they called it 'dehydration' (after accusing me of being on drugs), so it wasn't any help.
Luckily, I still had $2000 in the bank, which I spent on tests which I knew would be taken seriously, and fortunately that was enough. (And I had to arrange all of it myself because even my doctors were not taking me seriously (until those test results came back).) If I hadn't had that money, I would've been screwed.
But anyway, yeah: the system sucks.
| Quote: | | This society doesn't give a sh*t about its people and they think anyone who has a disability is a waste on resources. If they could, they would probably euthanize anyone whom they think just might cost them money. The only reason they don't is that it's become one of those "socially unacceptable" things since we beat the Nazis. |
Yeah, but euthanizing people costs money and why waste money on worthless, disabled trash? Soylent Green or compost -- that's the moral way to deal with those slackers. Maybe they could fight each other to the death in a cage or something.
(Because they all are slackers, you know. If G-d had wanted them not to be punished & made into compost, then he wouldn't have made them ill and poor in the first place!)
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| Quote: | | Anyone who applies for assistance might need to lie a little or exaggerate. People who really need help from government entities have always done it as a means of self preservation. They know they can't make it without assistance and it's better to lie than to end up homeless or hungry. Besides, the system is designed specifically to hinder people who need help the most and does NOT play fair. |
In a perfect world there would never be a need for that, but this is far (far, far, far) from a perfect world. I have a hard time judging someone facing being homeless while ill or g-d knows what circumstance, and doing what they need to do to survive.
(OTOH, the people on Wall Street, who legally steal so much money, can rot in hell for all I care.)
And anyone who thinks "legal" and "illegal" is the same as "moral" and "immoral" needs to examine the workings of the world more closely. |
I couldn't agree with you more.
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murasaki_ahiru
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| cyberscan wrote: | | It sounds like you live in the Police States of Amerika. I have "full blown autism," and I was rejected as well. I also have a lawyer to fight for me as well. |
Going by what the OP said they are talking about the system in Australia which is called Centrelink. |
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cyberscan
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| murasaki_ahiru wrote: | | cyberscan wrote: | | It sounds like you live in the Police States of Amerika. I have "full blown autism," and I was rejected as well. I also have a lawyer to fight for me as well. |
Going by what the OP said they are talking about the system in Australia which is called Centrelink. |
It does, however, sound a lot like the system in the Police States of Amerika. Here we are taxed and regulated into oblivion like other socialist countries but we receive none of the benefits from these taxes. in the Police States of Amerika, if one gets sick or becomes disabled and is no longer able to work, hr or she is screwed if there is no family support. However, if in spite of everything, one is able through hard work and luck to pull themselves out, the government is the first one to come wanting a cut. In the P.S.A. there is a system of taxation and regulation with no representation.
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Dark_Lord_2008
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Most employers are stuck in the Dark Ages and do not want to employ anyone with disabilities/mental impairments. Employers discriminate against people with Aspergers and any other mental impairment/disability. It will cost us more and it will be more trouble than what it is worth. Employers regard people with disabilities as idiots and are not the type of people they want to employ.
Government, medical professionals, most people and employers are discriminatory or condescending towards Aspergers. Widespread racism and prejudice against Aspergers exists within society. |
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zer0netgain
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| jojobean wrote: | Did you know that 99 percent of people who apply for disability are rejected?? The system is set up to reject everyone who comes in the door becides those who are practicly totally immoble or have MR. even if you apeal, 99 percent of those who appeal are rejected, and it is not until a lawyer is involved that the stastistics change. 89 percent of those who take it to court actually win.
so save the hassile, just get a lawyer, but make sure that he/she only gets paid if you get benifits. I hear they are talking about doing away with back payments. Normally you get all your payments from the time you applied till when you are approved in one lump sum, well due to budget battles they are talking about doing away with that which will make paying for a lawyer more expensive. So you need to get a lawyer and get it over with before this hits Obama's desk.
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This says it all.
1. Welfare/disability is grossly abused in the USA. A lot of people draw who are capable of working, but they don't want to. If you want to defraud the system out of benefits, it's not hard to do, and if you circulate with the "right people" you can have many mentors showing you how to do it. As a result, there are significant barriers to getting approved for aid, and it's not hard to loose it. I know people who could go on disability who do not because they don't want to live life looking over their shoulder for someone spying on them...trying to take an ordinary daily activity and turning it into a case for why they should be working.
2. The harsh reality is that even with "social anxiety" most people can still work...the problem is the lack of work environments that are suitable for their disability or the outright discrimination in hiring of people with such issues. You can sustain yourself...you're willing to work, but there are no places that will put you to work.
These issues make it hard for those who are forced to live on public assistance to get it...especially if they are relatively honest people.
The only way to get SSI or other benefits is to have a lawyer working for you...and fully expect to be rejected the first time or two. |
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ValentineWiggin
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 9:13 am Post subject: Re: How dare they discriminate against Aspergers? |
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| Dark_Lord_2008 wrote: | Despite severe social anxiety , depression and Aspergers: I was recently rejected the disabled pension. The government discriminates against Aspergers and does not even believe it even exists.
My claim was denied because I was not disabled enough and they believe I can work 15 hours a week within the next two years(main criteria of determining eligibility for disabled pension). Screw the government they can go to Hell.
Alcoholics and junkies get disabled pensions easier than people with Aspergers. It is a disgrace how the welfare system operates. Stuck with the lower welfare payment and forced to look for work or studyon the unemployment benefits.
Has anyone been rejected a disability claim from the government? |
Most people who file for disability are rejected, some who aren't dealing with anxiety and Autism but LIFE THREATENING illnesses,
so you can come off your persecution complex.
Oh, and NO ONE. ANYWHERE. Discriminates against ASPERGERS. Or diabetes. Or Ulcerative Colitis.
Discrimination against a malady or disorder is an absurdity. |
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zer0netgain
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Dark_Lord_2008
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Lazy and does not want to work. He has.... Peter Pan Syndrome or Adult Baby Syndrome. |
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CaptainTrips222
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Dark_Lord_2008 wrote: |
Lazy and does not want to work. He has.... Peter Pan Syndrome or Adult Baby Syndrome. |
Off topic, but Peter Pan Syndrome is the perfect word to describe a few idiots I know. They have no work ethic, their whole life is one long blur of monitor screen light, and use all their brain capacity to watch and discuss anime and play video games. From what I see it's a classic case of arrested development. To be honest, I've never come right out and asked why they're on SSI. It's none of my business, but when it comes to making it to conventions, cosplay, and scrounging up money for games, they're really ingenious. I try to be compassionate toward everybody, and give them the benefit of the doubt, but these guys are being selectively stupid. They're not grown up, and probably never will grow up, because they don't WANT to grow up. |
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zer0netgain
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| CaptainTrips222 wrote: | | It's none of my business, but when it comes to making it to conventions, cosplay, and scrounging up money for games, they're really ingenious. |
Reminds me of the opening monologue on Seinfeld back when George did anything possible to NOT get a job.
This guy works harder to NOT have a job than most of us work at having a job. |
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Verdandi
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: How dare they discriminate against Aspergers? |
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| ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Oh, and NO ONE. ANYWHERE. Discriminates against ASPERGERS. Or diabetes. Or Ulcerative Colitis.
Discrimination against a malady or disorder is an absurdity. |
But people who have disabling conditions are discriminated against. |
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Bloodheart
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: How dare they discriminate against Aspergers? |
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| Verdandi wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Oh, and NO ONE. ANYWHERE. Discriminates against ASPERGERS. Or diabetes. Or Ulcerative Colitis.
Discrimination against a malady or disorder is an absurdity. |
But people who have disabling conditions are discriminated against. |
...and people with asperger's and autism especially.
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| I don't think there's any point to discussing welfare fraud as a social force without studies to back it up. So far, extensive welfare fraud has not been proven. Yes, there almost certainly is fraud and policy is defined almost entirely by the spectre of fraud, but what happens is a few extreme cases are used to define the middle. |
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