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As I said before, an op is firstly a leader, secondly a catalyst for the resolving of issues, thirdly a trusted individual and only fourthly an authority figure.
| Schadenfreude wrote: | [22:30] WardenWolf: this is not what I want. It should have never come to this.
[22:31] WardenWolf: but it has. Through Alex's not doing |
| WardenWolf wrote: | | Certain ops have, in the past, stated that Alex's opinions do not matter and have stood in opposition to him. |
| WardenWolf wrote: | | They have attempted to become a law unto themselves and, by de facto, wrest control of the channel away from its owner |
It is interesting to me that WardenWolf first noted that Alex is the primary cause for the state of disrepair, and later made it clear that anyone who shares that same opinion he earlier expressed are actually behind it in some way. It's also interesting that...
| Schadenfreude wrote: | [22:09] WardenWolf: we have a plan that we believe to be viable
[22:09] WardenWolf: that will relieve the burden from Alex |
From what I gather from the whole affair, the plan is, in order to stop anyone from taking over, we're going to take over. Unlike anyone else who would potentially take over, we're going to sweet talk our way into Alex's circle of trust, because he doesn't know what we say about him when he's not around.
I can tell you the results of that plan. Little to nothing. Believe me on one thing... ops don't get paid more than regular users. They also don't get their own way on everything. In fact, being called upon at random times is a lot less liberating than having the freedom to go to bed when you're tired, or enjoy a peaceful conversation on Skype or whatever else you do while online.
and as for your choice in other ops:
#wrongplanet.2009-05-13.log:[2009-05-13 19:50:59] * weatherkid thinks we need a spam bot on here or something
#wrongplanet.2009-05-16.log:[2009-05-16 21:59:23] <weatherkid> I'm 12 and i violate COPPA
#wrongplanet.2009-05-16.log:[2009-05-16 21:59:46] <weatherkid> duh
#wrongplanet.2009-05-16.log:[2009-05-16 21:59:48] <weatherkid> bye
#wrongplanet.2009-05-28.log:[2009-05-28 21:06:55] <weatherkid> Off GoJo thingy... IN CASE OF EMERGENCY CALL CHEMTREC AT 1-800-424-9300
#wrongplanet.2009-05-28.log:[2009-05-28 21:07:28] <weatherkid> Off GoJo thingy... IN CASE OF EMERGENCY CALL CHEMTREC AT 1-800-424-9300
#wrongplanet.2009-05-28.log:[2009-05-28 21:07:30] <weatherkid> Off GoJo thingy... IN CASE OF EMERGENCY CALL CHEMTREC AT 1-800-424-9300
#wrongplanet.2009-05-28.log:[2009-05-28 21:07:30] <weatherkid> Off GoJo thingy... IN CASE OF EMERGENCY CALL CHEMTREC AT 1-800-424-9300
#wrongplanet.2009-05-28.log:[2009-05-28 21:07:32] <weatherkid> Off GoJo thingy... IN CASE OF EMERGENCY CALL CHEMTREC AT 1-800-424-9300
#wrongplanet.2009-05-28.log:[2009-05-28 21:07:32] <weatherkid> Off GoJo thingy... IN CASE OF EMERGENCY CALL CHEMTREC AT 1-800-424-9300
#wrongplanet.2010-01-16.log:[2010-01-16 17:01:52] |<-- weatherkid has left freenode (K-lined)
#wrongplanet.2010-04-10.log:[2010-04-10 13:46:54] <weatherkid> Houston, We have F*cktards! (RalphSpencerII)
#wrongplanet.2010-04-10.log:[2010-04-10 13:47:07] <Siv> stop being offensive weatherkid
#wrongplanet.2010-04-14.log:[2010-04-14 21:10:02] <weatherkid> does you talk to me you f***ing pig
#wrongplanet.2010-04-14.log:[2010-04-14 21:10:06] <weatherkid> **don't
#wrongplanet.2010-04-14.log:[2010-04-14 21:10:39] <Andrew1986> don't f**k pig, weatherkid. it's bad. swine flu
#wrongplanet.2010-04-14.log:[2010-04-14 21:10:41] <weatherkid> you know what
#wrongplanet.2010-04-14.log:[2010-04-14 21:11:02] <weatherkid> @wpops > Andrew1986
#wrongplanet.2010-04-14.log:[2010-04-14 21:12:55] =-= weatherkid was booted from #wrongplanet by Bot0 ( You also know the rules)
#wrongplanet.2010-07-04.log:[2010-07-04 23:27:40] <weatherkid> luckybunny, mind if i donate a IRCd to your Wiki? My IRCnet was killed thanks the pissy dragon, so, it's all yours.
#wrongplanet.2010-07-06.log:[2010-07-06 00:34:47] =-= weatherkid is now known as YourMomBitch
#wrongplanet.2010-07-09.log:[2010-07-09 08:43:50] <weatherkid> lion42, have you seen f**** 4?
#wrongplanet.2010-07-12.log:[2010-07-12 00:32:41] <weatherkid> Praetorius, go suck yor mom's dick. you have only caused hurt.
#wrongplanet.2010-07-12.log:[2010-07-12 00:33:04] <Corin> weatherkid: Be quiet. That's uncalled for, in any case.
#wrongplanet.2010-07-14.log:[2010-07-14 21:43:43] <weatherkid> yay! now i have his IP! DoS time!
#wrongplanet.2010-07-28.log:[2010-07-28 04:23:21] <weatherkid> Ok. One thing off of my todo list. I just sent a message to Alex on Facebook asking if I could make stats for #WP. He should most likely reply tomorrow.
#wrongplanet.2010-07-28.log:[2010-07-28 04:23:54] <Kassiane> didnt you get banned for a statsbot once, weatherkid?
#wrongplanet.2010-07-29.log:[2010-07-29 22:42:07] <weatherkid> DementedBrain, the purpose of #wrongplanet is to insult each other
<regarding bots being placed in #wp, which is against channel rules>
#wrongplanet.2010-08-04.log:[2010-08-04 11:25:58] <weatherkid> Sivrullirmiut, i didn't do anything. i just PM'd him on Facebook. It was his call and his only.
#wrongplanet.2010-08-04.log:[2010-08-04 11:26:32] <Sivrullirmiut> after you'd been expressly told by all the other ops that you shouldn't do it weatherkid, on multiple occasions
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:14] <weatherkid> ....................../´¯/)
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:14] <weatherkid> ....................,/¯../
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:14] <weatherkid> .................../..../
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:14] <weatherkid> ............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:14] <weatherkid> ........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:15] <weatherkid> ........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:15] <weatherkid> .........\.................'...../
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:15] <weatherkid> ..........''...\.......... _.·´
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:16] <weatherkid> ............\..............(
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:38:17] <weatherkid> ..............\.............\...
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:39:26] <weatherkid> nope, middle finger
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:39:34] <weatherkid> to everyone is here
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:46:26] =-= Mode #wrongplanet-alt +b *!*@unaffiliated/weatherkid by Siv
#wrongplanet-alt.2010-03-21.log:[2010-03-21 17:46:27] =-= weatherkid was booted from #wrongplanet-alt by Siv (weatherkid)
This weatherkid character is now an op in #wp. That last paste is from #wrongplanet-alt, which is an adult-only channel, which if I am correct, he should not have even been in at the age of 13 anyway, regardless of the spam.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| blue_bean wrote: | | MidlifeAspie wrote: | | What does any of this have to do with the forum you are posting on? |
Well I guess they don't feel safe addressing any of this in the chat room itself 
Also, Toggis is a liason from Alex's web provider. |
Blue_bean: Alex doesn't tend the chat room, despite it having strong connections to this forum. If issues are to be brought to Alex's attention, along with the input of other people for fairness, the chatroom is a totally inadequate place to raise them.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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WardenWolf: I was with Alex in New York City just 2 weeks ago. Weatherkid does indeed have permission to make stats on #wrongplanet. Please unban him.
[18:49] Sivrullirmiut: as far as I am aware weatherkid does not, and has not sought the permission of the other room ops, who forbid stats pages for many reasons, so I shall not.
[18:50] Sivrullirmiut: and you may wish to think that part of the reason for the ban, was the manner in which weatherkid acted about this
[18:50] Sivrullirmiut: I do not think entering a room and crowing about "pwning" the ops is very wise
[18:50] WardenWolf: I am a forum mod, so if I were to lie about this, it would be on my head
[18:51] Sivrullirmiut: forum mod or not, the ban will remain
[18:51] WardenWolf: You perhaps need to remember who owns this channel.
[18:51] Sivrullirmiut: you perhaps need to remember who deals with all the day-to-day sh** of the channel
[18:52] WardenWolf: That does not matter in this case. He had permission from the channel's owner.
[18:53] WardenWolf: His ruling trumps any other ops.
[18:53] Sivrullirmiut: I am not going to agree to give someone a special priveledge because of who they do or do not know
[18:55] WardenWolf: It is not your position to agree or disagree.
[18:55] Sivrullirmiut: weatherkid knew full well before he asked alex, what the position was on bots from the day-to-day ops
[18:55] Sivrullirmiut: I think it is my position to disagree
[18:56] WardenWolf: When you are directly and intentionally going against the owner of the channel, something is very wrong.
[18:56] Sivrullirmiut: not at all
[18:56] Sivrullirmiut: I assume we are done
[18:57] WardenWolf: Well, then, I'm sure Alex will be happy to know his op's blatant refusal to follow his instructions.
[18:58] Sivrullirmiut: enjoy reporting me
[18:58] Sivrullirmiut: as for instructions, from alex, which are explicit. I am yet to be presented with those.
[18:59] WardenWolf: Time to make a phone call or two.
This, which was spun to show how the ops didn't obey Alex. Even though Alex had not deigned to actually tell the ops his change of policy. Asking your ops to obey any supposed order of Alex, without any direct contact might well be why so many ops are leaving?
I'm tired now of Wardenwolf trying to spin any reluctance of ops to agree with his draconian running of the room as being some anti-alex plot to take over. We all know alex is the owner of the room. Wildly taking out long-time trusted ops well known to the community who use the room is actually causing distress among the user-base. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject: Kate Smith |
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Not for nothing, but did anyone realize now that Gerrit is not on the op list, I guess maybe he had quit. I guess that Gerrit also does not want to work underneath Wardenwolf. He probably left the opping job because of his thanks that he had been showed to Gerrit, by removing his flags and demoting him. Like i said people are not dumb people. We again have lost another great op, who put years oif work into wrongplanet. Yes there was a time when the ops were picked by other ops voting for the person. I think that was the best way to go on that decision, because the ops are the ones that recognizes other peoples behavior on wrongplanet and other cjhannels. Alex Plank is not in the channel to actually see the behavior of others. I think it was a really good idea for the ops to take vote of who was being opped and who was not. They are on the channel more then what alex plank was. If only Alex Plank spent some time online, he would understand a whole different story.
Never mind Gerrit was just opped again
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: kate smith |
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Gerrit has his flags back now , and so does silph. So well anyway basically yes the problem is solved as far as i am concerned now. It looks like everything is back to normal now. I think that WardenWolf did good for a change, and i am proud of WardenWolf for doing the right thing. Right now i do feel better about WardenWolf and Togg now. and I really think that WardenWolf will make a good leader after all. Now it is all about trial and error basically. Finally they have a understanding now. I am proud of WardenWolf right now. Thank you for listening to my concerns.
Now I feal better about wrongplanet being back to normal. I still do have some concerns about mish , gamerkitten not being allowed back in wrongplanet to be honest, and i still feel like the ban of Mish was not fair. Gamerktten was a regular wrongplanet user, and she is not a troll. She is the kind of person to be very outspoken. I dont think that Dragonlady, Gamerkitten did anything so wrong as to deserve a permanent ban in my opinion, and I think that P_B feels the same way. Mish is very outspoken and she does say what is on her mind. This thing all over a pm message with hotron, i did not get to see what that pm message was, but basically i really do believe that gamerkitten was only trying to get hotron to grow up for some reason. It would really be nice for me to see the pm message that gamerkitten have said. There is not even proof of what gamerkitten has said. I dont believe that gamerkitten , mish, hurt hotron at all.
You know as for gemmerkitten, mish, dragonlady, she is a person who has aspergers. She also has 2 of her kids that are on the spectrum list. I think it was wrong to take her out of the chatroom and permanently ban her. She s a single mom with 2 kids, and she has aspergers, and she really did depend on the support of wrongplanet. All of a sudden and not for some real good reason, she is banned forever. I think that was a wrong thing to do, for she was on wrongplanet for longer then i have been i believe. I know the ops do not like gamerkitten. Yes but banning a person because you dont like them is not a great reason. There are people on wrongplanet that did much more worse then what gamerkitten has done and they are still on wrongplanet, I am just only saying now.
Here is the logs of the chat that gamerkitten, dragonlady was permanently banned over.
<GamerKitten> Because you abuse Carsten, I abuse you. 
<Undead_Ninja> Apparently I only abused his keyboard
Undead_Ninja is ~IceChat77@unaffiliated/hotron (The Chat cool people use)
<Undead_Ninja> Which is an atrocity I can't live with
<GamerKitten> Poor you.
<GamerKitten> Grow up finally, it might be good for you.
<Undead_Ninja> I still don't get the hostility
<Undead_Ninja> I legft for 6 months, came back and have been the perfect angel since
<GamerKitten> You told me to eat sh** and die.
<Undead_Ninja> I tell a great many people that
<Undead_Ninja> Very few deserve it
<GamerKitten> That pissed Carsten off immensely when you did that.
<Undead_Ninja> I don't wish you were one
<GamerKitten> Sure.
<Undead_Ninja> I'm sure if I found my old harddrive I'd have actual evidence of the months of abuse I took from you and several other people before I snapped
<GamerKitten> Yeah because you did that to others, you think people are going to tolerate it.
<Undead_Ninja> Anyway, I'm going to make use of the ignore feature because I'm not going to take uneccessary aggresiveness from you any longer
<GamerKitten> Whatever.
<GamerKitten> You did enough to me.
<GamerKitten> You don't get that you actually do hurt people by your words now do you?
<GamerKitten> That's why I dislike you.
<GamerKitten> Instead of f***ing saying sorry or I was joking, you kept on.
<GamerKitten> I get enough abuse from others, didn't need you adding to that crap. If you had f***ing apologized I'd not be so pissed.
Now I was a op a long time ago, and i know for fact that hotron is no better then gamerkitten. Yes all over this pm message , and WardenWolf has permanently banned mish over this, that is just so wrong. WardenWolf banned mish only because he did not like mish.
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MishLuvsHer2Boys
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Session Start: Fri Jun 24 08:10:21 2011
[08:10] <GamerKitten> Excuse me, why I was kicked?
[08:10] <WardenWolf> because you started attacking hotron with no provocation
[08:10] <GamerKitten> Not even a warning?
[08:10] <GamerKitten> He provoked me often enough.
[08:10] <GamerKitten> He's done that for years now.
[08:10] <GamerKitten> You think someone wouldn't get fed up of it.
[08:11] <GamerKitten> Or did you ever see the abuse he's put me through... of course not. 
[08:11] <WardenWolf> that's NEVER an excuse to just start attacking someone on sight. And quite frankly, the ops are fed up with you and the trouble you cause.
[08:11] <GamerKitten> He has told me to eat sh** and die.
[08:11] <GamerKitten> before.
[08:11] <GamerKitten> You know what, I'm not the only one that does anything.
[08:12] <GamerKitten> But you haven't been around to see the abuse people do to me every day and ops do nothing.
[08:12] <GamerKitten> When are they going to be stopped too?
[08:12] <GamerKitten> When I do nothing back to them.
[08:12] <WardenWolf> well, you can rest assured you won't be taking any more abuse from this community. Consider yourself banned.
[08:12] <WardenWolf> Dragonlady.
[08:13] <GamerKitten> Thanks a lot Mike.
[08:13] <GamerKitten> So you going to start banning the others too?
[08:14] <WardenWolf> stop playing the victim. You attacked someone that happened more than 6 months ago
[08:14] <WardenWolf> on sight
[08:14] <WardenWolf> when they hadn't said anything to you
[08:14] <GamerKitten> Yeah but they have doing the same and they never get warning either.
[08:14] <WardenWolf> and YOU were under a new name so they had no idea of knowing who you were
[08:14] <GamerKitten> So it's ok for them?
[08:14] <GamerKitten> Thanks a lot.
[08:14] <GamerKitten> I have tried to move on and all and they keep on me no matter what I do.
[08:14] <GamerKitten> You'd get frustrated too.
[08:15] <GamerKitten> So when can I can unbanned?
[08:15] <WardenWolf> he tried to move on. And you just did that exact same thing to him
[08:15] <GamerKitten> Because he's trolled the channel long enough.
[08:15] <GamerKitten> And nothing was done to him.
[08:15] <GamerKitten> Yet he's threatened me and treated me like sh** and I'm the one that is punished.
[08:15] <GamerKitten> I only react when someone else has done something to me and nobody stops it.
[08:17] <WardenWolf> quit trying to play the victim card
[08:17] <GamerKitten> then do something about the others for once when they do things to me when I was just chatting,
[08:18] <GamerKitten> So I don't feel like I have to react.
[08:18] <GamerKitten> Like Mortomes daily pokes at me even when I don't say anything to him implying I'm a slut.
[08:18] <GamerKitten> So when will I be unbanned?
[08:18] <WardenWolf> when hell freezes over
[08:19] <GamerKitten> You know Mike, I don't hate you or anything but you need to pay attention to the rest of the picture, not just me. |
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| I agree with Katesmith. Gamerkitten isn't half as bad as some of the others that are still allowed to stay in the chat. |
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She's right, WardenWolf. You have to be fair about things. I know that Mish has not always been the nicest person in the channel, but the fact is that there is a system to follow where there is not an immediate risk to the channel. Immediate risks are spambots and obvious trolls. Real people having a bad day and interpersonal grievances are not immediately bannable like that. There has to be intervention in terms of giving the people involved a chance to work stuff out. Preferably in pm, where it won't cause major channel disruption. Only if it breaks down into a total mess of hostility and personal attacks should bans be considered. Remember, not everyone can be friends all the time, and there is bound to be a collision of personalities often. The op's duty in such cases is to try to prevent it from getting out of hand, and then issue warnings and bans where necessary. There have been umpteen times in the past where I would perhaps have been supportive of a ban on Mish, but in this case it was radically unfair and reeks of personal grudges as opposed to unbiased and responsible opping. Even to use the reason of it being a response to an accumulated number of indiscretions would never have warranted any action then and there, especially without having first carried out some form of warning protocol.
From where I sit, it seems your reaction to users involved in problems is to ban them instead of attempting to rectify the issue.
I'm also interested to know if HotRon received any bans/warnings in this case, as both conversations posted above clearly show he was not exactly an 'innocent victim' in any of it.
WardenWolf: I'm not sure how others react to bans you place, but I am not happy with the majority I've seen so far (except where otherwise explicitly stated). It is not the who that saddens me so (case in point, the one being discussed at length here. Under any other circumstances, I'd probably rejoice), but the how and the why. Everybody deserves a fair, equal and understanding treatment from the ops. Refusal from the ops to be any of those three lends itself to situations of widespread anger.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: kate smith |
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Again i did not see gamerkitten hurt hotron by telling him to grow up. I can tell you from previous experience that hotron is definitely no angel at all. I am giving you the picture of what i see. Hotron is very very immature, that is for sure. I do know that hotron can really bully other people around very very well. I can tell you that much. I think that it is time that hotron does some growing up, that is for sure. Hotron use to go around wrongplanet stabbing everyone in fun. I really dont think that gamerkitten hurt hotron one bit. That is just my opinion, and mish does not deserve to be permanently banned for trying to get hotron to mature some.
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I have been told many times when people have contacted me by PM attacking me that there was nothing OPs could do about it over and over again, that it was not their job to do so, I put up with a heck of a lot of time with dealing with others harassment that way only to see no resolve, I put them on ignore, they'd find their way around it. WardenWolf, was that just changed because of me? Or do you intend to apply it to every other case. Because for years, I've had others do that to me and others complain they were attacked in PM and all and nothing was done by the ops.
Alex, me and many others have put a lot of trust in you. You asked if there was anyone you could trust to do the job as op, perhaps you should have stuck around in channel and gotten to know people, then you'd see who you could trust as an op or not. Not just pushed into it because someone hosts your website, etc for you. I even remember times when WardenWolf himself banned HotRon aka Undead_Ninja on a few occasions for trolling.
There have been a lot of indiscretions in OPing and rules in the channel. The fact that it goes all too often to content that is more suitable to #wrongplanet-alt and nothing is done should be considered quite bothersome as it's supposed to be a family-friendly and supportive channel.
I really hoped one day maybe that would be true because I have two sons on the autism spectrum and when I brought my oldest in when he was younger with me supervising him, I had a few members because I was teaching him the rules of the channel and he spammed without understanding spam as I was still teaching him... were very fast to jump to see him banned. I had hoped one day I'd see that channel be a place my sons could in the future get support, not quite a few people that are obsessive with so-called not letting go, it's not just me. There are many there and I have been putting in the effort to change. I could easily name a list of people that don't let the past go in that channel and no recourse has come to them.
I speak my mind and all, I try to protect myself from the attacks and people intent on harassing me because they don't like me for some reason or another that I've already moved on from and don't care to revisit. I also try to protect others and see that things are fair. Good grief if I'm passionate about seeing the nonsense crap that goes on in there to stop, guess if you go against the clique in the channel, you become a problem. I know in my years of OPing on IRC that if I ever had personal issues with a user in the channel, I'd hand the consequences for that person over to another user. It only makes that person if they do the banning etc look as if they have personal issues with that "problem" user. It doesn't reflect well on the OP staff in those cases.
I'm far from the worst problem on that channel. We've had pedophiles in there, as well we've had some that have openly harassed others and made them feel unsafe in that channel. Is that the kinda of supportive environment that channel needs? I don't think so.
Just because I raise my voice up loud, it's more to prove a point that there is something wrong, that is way way beyond my speaking my mind and sticking to what I believe. At least what I believe is in a channel that I considered supportive and a place that meant a lot to me due to the friends and all I have made there and enjoying helping others out. I'm sure a few in there would have easily said that I helped them feel comfortable there and likely wouldn't still be there if it wasn't for me. Not everyone can say they have had people say that to them and it is something that should be said to everyone in that channel that makes everyone feel welcome.
I have heard complaints of some of the females in the channel being sexually harassed by PMs and some OPs just saying they couldn't do anything to help out.
I am also curious as to what happened to most of the female ops in #wrongplanet, there used to be a few and now they have been removed from the op staff. Can someone please perhaps explain why? It seems to be almost like some sort of sexism. There are maybe 2 female ops left on staff, one hasn't been active in an OPing role in years, likely due to the nonsense that has gone on in #wp and I wouldn't blame them. I know Caramel was a good OP till all this stuff came along with Weatherkid and WardenWolf, now she's gone and quit. Kassiane used to be a good op, she's gone because of the nonsense in that channel, Baxtir is no longer on the ops staff, not sure why... lexipoo was driven off by a few members because she was considered "non-autistic" by some and yet she was a parent and would have made a good op. Despite my differences with people, I don't dislike them, I just don't like their behavior and don't have to like it either. I don't expect anyone else to like my behavior at times, but instead of listening to others, perhaps if they'd not judge me based on what other's say, they'd get to know me as a person and see that I'm not this "destructive and vile person" that WardenWolf and a few others that have personal issues with me that can't get past them consider me as. I care more about that channel than some of them do for sure. |
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snottyboy
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| Let our voices be heard. We aren't happy with the changes. People who come here to actually chat are being banned while the instigating trouble makers are allowed free roam. |
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KateSmith
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:09 pm Post subject: kate smith |
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I agree that the regular wrongplanet people are being banned and the trouble makers are free to roam. Yes I totally agree with you snottyboy. It is really not fair to ban a long time user of wrongplanet. gamerkitten has been permanently baned for no reason other for WardenWolf not liking gamerkitten. I am against gamerkitten for being banned. Yes I have in the past saw hotron bullying others before. Hotron was really a pro at bulliying other people on wrongplanet. I was around for a long time, and i do know what i am seeing. Yes to ban a person is the last resort, it is better to talk to the person in pm message and try to find a sollution. Well enough from me i am so tired of the crap wrongplanet has.
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Tim_Tex
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Are you sure it's a good idea to post the transcript of the chat session on the forums? Shouldn't it be discussed via PM?
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snottyboy
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If discussing it in pm would solve anything, don't you suppose we would of tried it? They think they are in the right. We have to stand up and let our voices be heard. It's our chat too.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: kate smith |
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okay here is the last thing that i am concerned about is gamerkitten being permanently banned for this, and she said it to hotron, and hotron use to be one of the big bullies in wrongplanet. Finally 6 months later, hotron had come back online. People that hotron bullied , they dont forget it. So well anyway Dragonlady, gamerkitten has come online trying to get hotron to grow up some. I really think the permanent ban on Dragonlady, gamerktten was not fair because basically WardenWolf does not like her. That is a wrong reason to ban someone just because they dont like you.
Dragonlady, gamerkitten has aspergers , and she is a single mom and she has two kids that are on the spectrum. She is very very outspoken but that is just her. I just dont know how Dragonlady does it. I really think the ban that permanent ban is just very very uncalled for. I am sure there was a way that could have been worked out. Most of the ops in wrongplanet they banned her because they dont want to be bothered no more, and I see WardenWolf ban her because he does not like her.. That is not a good reason to ban someone. When I did Op Wrongplanet , i never ever banned someone because i did not like someone. Well that is how i am seeing it.
here again is the logs. Hotron bullied dragonlady a lot of times in the past when i was opping. I dont blame Dragonlady for the pm message that she sent to hotron. Of course the pm mesage did not hurt hotron at all, there is such as a ignore thing.
<GamerKitten> Because you abuse Carsten, I abuse you.
<Undead_Ninja> Apparently I only abused his keyboard
Undead_Ninja is ~IceChat77@unaffiliated/hotron (The Chat cool people use)
<Undead_Ninja> Which is an atrocity I can't live with
<GamerKitten> Poor you.
<GamerKitten> Grow up finally, it might be good for you.
<Undead_Ninja> I still don't get the hostility
<Undead_Ninja> I legft for 6 months, came back and have been the perfect angel since
<GamerKitten> You told me to eat sh** and die.
<Undead_Ninja> I tell a great many people that
<Undead_Ninja> Very few deserve it
<GamerKitten> That pissed Carsten off immensely when you did that.
<Undead_Ninja> I don't wish you were one
<GamerKitten> Sure.
<Undead_Ninja> I'm sure if I found my old harddrive I'd have actual evidence of the months of abuse I took from you and several other people before I snapped
<GamerKitten> Yeah because you did that to others, you think people are going to tolerate it.
<Undead_Ninja> Anyway, I'm going to make use of the ignore feature because I'm not going to take uneccessary aggresiveness from you any longer
<GamerKitten> Whatever.
<GamerKitten> You did enough to me.
<GamerKitten> You don't get that you actually do hurt people by your words now do you?
<GamerKitten> That's why I dislike you.
<GamerKitten> Instead of f***ing saying sorry or I was joking, you kept on.
<GamerKitten> I get enough abuse from others, didn't need you adding to that crap. If you had f***ing apologized I'd not be so pissed.
Permanently banning dragonlady over this is not fair , and is absurd. I was a op before, and the last thing i did was ban someone for no reason at all. I used the ban as the last option.
I really think that the other ops are scared to voice their opinion with WardenWolf around, because lately WardenWolf was just like saddam hussein was in Iraq.
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