donnie_darko
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 Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: Hypothetical ways world peace can be achieved |
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If we want to forge a path to world peace, what is the best way to get there? Some people in the twentieth century thought a strong UN/America policing the world could lead to world peace, but it turns out that the American government is into war-mongering and is actually responsible for a lot of the suffering and violence that goes on in the world.
So i don't think we are going to find peace via war or a militaristic solution.
What about spreading a world peace 'meme'? Revolutionary waves do happen, what if a smallish group of people started a "Reject War" movement and it ended up toppling the global elite and ending all of the several dozen conflicts currently going on on Earth?
Do more people just need to believe in peace for it to happen? Most people seem to think war is inevitable, and a part of human nature, and thus we shouldn't try to stop it, all we can do is honor the soldiers and grieve the innocent victims. I find that idea very defeatist, believing that is only going to make it so. |
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Hypothetical? Well I suppose we could destroy all weapons of any kind, that may help. 
Seriously, I would say the human instinct is to protect and defend what is ours. So because we are so conditioned to owning things our instinct to defend is always primed.
Another serious way would be to ban religion completely. For all parents to stop telling their kids about christianity, islam, judeism etc. After a few generations we will start to feel like one nation Earth.
I would like to say that nuclear weapons have contributed to world peace but we seem to have more wars now than in the past. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Robdemanc wrote: |
Another serious way would be to ban religion completely. For all parents to stop telling their kids about christianity, islam, judeism etc. After a few generations we will start to feel like one nation Earth.
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No we wouldn't. Languages and customs differ too much.
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donnie_darko
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| ruveyn wrote: |
No we wouldn't. Languages and customs differ too much.
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What if we all spoke English and drank Starbucks? |
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Oh, sure. Ban religion. Convince everybody that peace is good. Spread love.
And in the process ignore human nature, which ignores the precepts of religion, ignores all that good socialization, and laughs at the idea of not kicking Green Monkeys.
Much better chance for world peace if the humans kill one another off or the aliens or the asteroid help us out.
Not to seem pessimistic, but I have not seen much sign of the peaceable kingdom on earth. |
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Kill everybody. Next best solution for world peace (though less effective) would be to get rid of Islam by some means. That would at least resolve most regional conflicts.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| The other planets in the solar system are all very peaceful. Reason? There's no life on them. |
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: |
No we wouldn't. Languages and customs differ too much.
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What if we all spoke English and drank Starbucks? |
If my grandmother had testicles would she be my grandfather?
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| John_Browning wrote: | | Kill everybody. Next best solution for world peace (though less effective) would be to get rid of Islam by some means. That would at least resolve most regional conflicts. |
Antimatter depth charges would do. Have a few hundred kilograms of anti-helium in each depth charge and detonate them by deactivating the electomagnetic containment field at a few hundred meters depth in the oceans. The explosion need not be enough to blast away the planet, but merely enough to vaporize the oceans and thereby steam cook the lands. Then you have no more wars or crime of any sort, because nothing is living.
World peace isn't going to happen, the best that can actually be done is to emigrate into space before some yahoo or another actually sets off their nuclear weapons and sets into motion a chain reaction of complete nuclear war. If a space elevator is built allowing mass transit into space from Earth and the inhabitants of Earth leave, there will be places where there is actually peace and the possibility of going to different locations when one location's government and/or inhabitants turn sour. Leaving this planet behind is what I think should be done, for as many people as possible. |
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Ignoring the ill informed prejudice of hypocritical muppets, racists and weapons fetishists...
@ donnie_darko
In response to your OP, 'world peace' is a big ask and rather than some idealised 'brave new world' cultural homogeny you may wish to consider the cause of most violent urges in most human beings - 'want'.
Now want is a perceptual problem as much as a material reality, people can want things they don't need and be in want of the most basic nescessities of life.
The former is greed and the result of some 'hollowness' within the individual or culture that needs filling and the later is a matter of equitability of access to those nescessities of life which is often the direct result of the greeds of the former.
World Peace? well first we need 'global justice' which is a convoluted wee conundrum if ever there was one.
May I recomend a book by George Monbiot - 'The Age of Consetn, it doesn't propose to actually give a concrette answer to the issues raised but it is however excellent food for thought.
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| RedHanrahan wrote: | | Ignoring the ill informed prejudice of hypocritical muppets, racists and weapons fetishists... |
Right, because if you actually read the entirety instead of the first sentence of what was said you might just have to think. Try it for a change, it's good. |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | RedHanrahan wrote: | | Ignoring the ill informed prejudice of hypocritical muppets, racists and weapons fetishists... |
Right, because if you actually read the entirety instead of the first sentence of what was said you might just have to think. Try it for a change, it's good. |
Repeat after me, 'I am a Muppet, I am a Muppet.....' keep repeating instead of typing your irrelevant human hating nonsense and then pretending you didn't mean what the words actuall said - dickhead.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| RedHanrahan wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | RedHanrahan wrote: | | Ignoring the ill informed prejudice of hypocritical muppets, racists and weapons fetishists... |
Right, because if you actually read the entirety instead of the first sentence of what was said you might just have to think. Try it for a change, it's good. |
Repeat after me, 'I am a Muppet, I am a Muppet.....' keep repeating instead of typing your irrelevant human hating nonsense and then pretending you didn't mean what the words actuall said - dickhead. |
You are a muppet, you are a muppet, you are a muppet, etc. There. Now you imbecile, congrats on showing your "love" when you are truly filled with hate. For all you criticize me and name call me, you still don't get what I said and you probably are completely unable to anyway. Yes, I am developing misantrophy and you are a major part of that. However, I do not actually want anyone to die, not even you. The issue of this thread is how peace would be obtainable, and it isn't so long as anything is living to fight over everything thing else. That's where spreading out into space, moving farther and farther away from everyone else, comes into play. Distancing people from each other and not crowding into massive cities is the proper answer in my opinion, not to some fluffy notion of world peace but as to how to allow there to be peace elsewhere and less fighting. You either have not read my second paragraph or you are unable or unwilling to comprehend it in favor of your demonized views of myself. You are the muppet. |
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@ the muppet.
Your thinking is juvenile and so limited in depth as to be moronic yet you tell me I am stupid and respond in a playground 'no you are' manner, you are little man a hypocrite and repeated human annihilation fantasist, just look over your prevous posts! You have a bad job interview and come here and make posts in which you admit to desiring MAD in one thread and start another which is entitlied 'dust off and nuke...' You feel like a man when you are firing a gun.. etc etc... On 'security' for a tent of fireworks you take along a gun ffs and when you here a noise outside you start spouting threats!
Your 'opinion' on how to achieve world peace was not constructive and merely you taking the opportunity to turn this thread into a platform for your misanthropic fantasies, something you do regularly and failing that you start one.
get a life muppet.
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