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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:14 am Post subject:
GoonSquad wrote:
^^^ Thanks for the tip on that AVID boxed set! I just ordered it... When it comes in, I'll have to break out my headphones and have a nice, long listen. Most of the time I listen to mp3s with earbuds--sometimes I forget how much is lost, even with a good recording! Technology is not always a friend to music.
from what i heard, the AVID makes the recording sound quite clean and clear. the technology needs to be wielded with a facile touch, otherwise the music can be butchered. there is a lot of butchered music out there now. i've heard some horrendous restoration jobs. i think a big part of the botched restorations is due to bad quality of the monitoring transducers the restoration techs are using in some cases. for me, i can't use anything lower quality than a pair of sennheiser hd580 precision headphones together with a special sennheiser headphone amp, the pair are well-matched and are suitably transparent for me to hear all the way into the recording, which allows me to hear the tiniest flaws.
GoonSquad wrote:
Did you restore your copy yourself?
yeah, i was too cheap to fork over the duckies for the AVID boxed set, so i took my 1999 sony/columbia remastered version and ripped it onto my puter restoration suite, then went to work on it. several thousand edits later, i have the condensed version that purists would hate but i would take to a desert island with me if that were the only CD i could take with me. in order to squeeze 120 minutes of concert onto an 80-minute CDR, i cut out nearly all the applause, using crossfades so as to not seem to have butchered the concert. i used a CEDAR DCX digital declicker module to remove the lions share of crackle and clicks, then used several software apps to remove the remaining rumble, hiss, groove roar, chuffing and swishing, etc. i used an inverse extraction app to monitor how much noise i was removing to make sure i didn't cut into the music, as a quality control measure. i left out the didactic section early in the first half of the concert [after "life goes to a party"] and also i cut out "loch lamond" and "honeysuckle rose" to fit in the songs i liked the best. i raised some ultra-quiet parts further above the noise floor and using dynamic EQ tamped down some harsh upper midranges on soloist martha tilton singing "bei mir, bist du schön." since the sony/columbia CD originally was sourced from a variety of original and copied-from-original discs, there is a lot of variability in the sound quality/noise level, this was the hardest thing to compensate for, and for this reason i had to use some treble heterodyning in order to make the inferior sourced parts sound uniform relative to the rest. the noise [mainly hiss] i left in [for the purposes of psychoacoustic dither, which made the low-level treble hysterisis less noticeable] is fairly level after all that, which i am proud of accomplishing. then finally, i decorrelated the channels to give it more of a realistic quasi-stereophonic spaciousness one would expect from a tony venue like carnegie hall. i hope this made sense.
It's only isolating in the sense, that the only albums I will now sought after are newer work from older bands.
For example, Coldplay's new album etc. etc.
I will never get round the concept of what my two sisters do, which is shape their music taste around the Top 40 charts. I could never do that.
I prefer to listen to older music, which genuinely sounds better than what today's music sounds like.
It sounds geriatric, but comparing Screamadelica or Abbey Road with something of today, needs no debate. The older stuff will win, hands down. Not because they made it first, but because, it has heart, passion, and even some sort of soul. Alot of what is being churned out sounds the polar opposite of this. It's as if musicians are doing it for the money, and money alone.
Joined: Feb 11, 2007 Age: 30 Posts: 1599 Location: Lancaster, PA
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:43 am Post subject:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the Asperger's that does that.
Lol, that's what I was thinking, too. People tend to stereotype my favorite genre without listening to it first, so that is somewhat isolating. But, I'm pretty open-minded and can listen to almost any type of music, with hyper-sounding house music, techno dance-type stuff being probably the one exception. So, I can relate to most people, even if they aren't willing to give my favorites a chance. I'm also a big lyrics person; if something has thoughtful lyrics that resonate, I can listen to it, regardless of genre.
Joined: Oct 17, 2010 Posts: 299 Location: Minnesota, United States
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:41 am Post subject:
Alternative wrote:
It's only isolating in the sense, that the only albums I will now sought after are newer work from older bands.
For example, Coldplay's new album etc. etc.
I will never get round the concept of what my two sisters do, which is shape their music taste around the Top 40 charts. I could never do that.
I prefer to listen to older music, which genuinely sounds better than what today's music sounds like.
It sounds geriatric, but comparing Screamadelica or Abbey Road with something of today, needs no debate. The older stuff will win, hands down. Not because they made it first, but because, it has heart, passion, and even some sort of soul. Alot of what is being churned out sounds the polar opposite of this. It's as if musicians are doing it for the money, and money alone.
Although I agree older popular music is better than modern popular music. I don't think people should judge modern music by the top charts. There are many underground artists around today, that are in it for the music. The underground scene is allot larger so it wouldn't make sense to judge by the top charts. Just don't expect to see them on television or hear them on commercialized radio stations. You could be surprised of how much great modern music you can find just by searching around the net. Sites like last.fm make finding new music very easy.
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject:
My taste in music is very eclectic; spanning across a huge range of genres such as heavy metal, alternative rock, hip hop, IDM, ambient, industrial, techno, classical, jazz, folk, etc. I don't feel as if I belong to a particular "scene" of music - like metalheads or rap enthusiasts - I just listen to whatever I'm in the mood for.
Joined: May 12, 2007 Age: 43 Posts: 3593 Location: International House of Paincakes...
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject:
auntblabby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Did you restore your copy yourself?
yeah, i was too cheap to fork over the duckies for the AVID boxed set, so i took my 1999 sony/columbia remastered version and ripped it onto my puter restoration suite, then went to work on it. several thousand edits later, i have the condensed version that purists would hate but i would take to a desert island with me if that were the only CD i could take with me. in order to squeeze 120 minutes of concert onto an 80-minute CDR, i cut out nearly all the applause, using crossfades so as to not seem to have butchered the concert. i used a CEDAR DCX digital declicker module to remove the lions share of crackle and clicks, then used several software apps to remove the remaining rumble, hiss, groove roar, chuffing and swishing, etc. i used an inverse extraction app to monitor how much noise i was removing to make sure i didn't cut into the music, as a quality control measure. i left out the didactic section early in the first half of the concert [after "life goes to a party"] and also i cut out "loch lamond" and "honeysuckle rose" to fit in the songs i liked the best. i raised some ultra-quiet parts further above the noise floor and using dynamic EQ tamped down some harsh upper midranges on soloist martha tilton singing "bei mir, bist du schön." since the sony/columbia CD originally was sourced from a variety of original and copied-from-original discs, there is a lot of variability in the sound quality/noise level, this was the hardest thing to compensate for, and for this reason i had to use some treble heterodyning in order to make the inferior sourced parts sound uniform relative to the rest. the noise [mainly hiss] i left in [for the purposes of psychoacoustic dither, which made the low-level treble hysterisis less noticeable] is fairly level after all that, which i am proud of accomplishing. then finally, i decorrelated the channels to give it more of a realistic quasi-stereophonic spaciousness one would expect from a tony venue like carnegie hall. i hope this made sense.
Wow, that's really impressive. I like to play around with digital audio, but I don't have the patients, ear, or talent to do anything like that!
I can definitely butcher some stuff though... _________________ If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed. It is the person who continues in his self-deception and ignorance who is harmed.~Marcus Aurelius
Joined: Feb 13, 2010 Posts: 18240 Location: the island of loveable toy humans
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject:
GoonSquad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Did you restore your copy yourself?
yeah, i was too cheap to fork over the duckies for the AVID boxed set, so i took my 1999 sony/columbia remastered version and ripped it onto my puter restoration suite, then went to work on it. several thousand edits later, i have the condensed version that purists would hate but i would take to a desert island with me if that were the only CD i could take with me. in order to squeeze 120 minutes of concert onto an 80-minute CDR, i cut out nearly all the applause, using crossfades so as to not seem to have butchered the concert. i used a CEDAR DCX digital declicker module to remove the lions share of crackle and clicks, then used several software apps to remove the remaining rumble, hiss, groove roar, chuffing and swishing, etc. i used an inverse extraction app to monitor how much noise i was removing to make sure i didn't cut into the music, as a quality control measure. i left out the didactic section early in the first half of the concert [after "life goes to a party"] and also i cut out "loch lamond" and "honeysuckle rose" to fit in the songs i liked the best. i raised some ultra-quiet parts further above the noise floor and using dynamic EQ tamped down some harsh upper midranges on soloist martha tilton singing "bei mir, bist du schön." since the sony/columbia CD originally was sourced from a variety of original and copied-from-original discs, there is a lot of variability in the sound quality/noise level, this was the hardest thing to compensate for, and for this reason i had to use some treble heterodyning in order to make the inferior sourced parts sound uniform relative to the rest. the noise [mainly hiss] i left in [for the purposes of psychoacoustic dither, which made the low-level treble hysterisis less noticeable] is fairly level after all that, which i am proud of accomplishing. then finally, i decorrelated the channels to give it more of a realistic quasi-stereophonic spaciousness one would expect from a tony venue like carnegie hall. i hope this made sense.
Wow, that's really impressive. I like to play around with digital audio, but I don't have the patience, ear, or talent to do anything like that! I can definitely butcher some stuff though...
it is not quite talent, but it was strictly trial and error. i made hundreds of coasters before i learned how to make good CDs, so i know about "butchering music." it wasn't patience so much as stubborn devotion to the excellence of the result- since i had to live with the result of my extended labors and expenditure of time, so i had to do it right or as right as i could make it. my most recent iteration of restoration of the benny goodman carnegie hall CD, is my fifth try at it. i first tried it back in 2000, shortly after the sony/columbia 1999 carnegie hall "remaster" came out on the market- i was so offended by the sony's horrible sound quality that in my haste to make it more listenable, rushed the job and made an equally horrible-sounding coaster. it was a long process of learning how to listen deeply enough, combined with much needed practice by repetition on my restoration software package, that led me to my most recent definitive CD a full decade after my first try. i am eager for other people to listen to my version of this concert, and compare it with the various other versions out there. i'd frankly like for you to hear it also.
I will always enjoy the dark obscure stuff, but my wife plays Boa a lot and I've become totally sucked into it. To those who don't know, that's super up-beat girly music with a singer that uses both Korean and Japanese lyrics.
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:17 am Post subject:
auntblabby wrote:
it is not quite talent, but it was strictly trial and error. i made hundreds of coasters before i learned how to make good CDs, so i know about "butchering music." it wasn't patience so much as stubborn devotion to the excellence of the result- since i had to live with the result of my extended labors and expenditure of time, so i had to do it right or as right as i could make it. my most recent iteration of restoration of the benny goodman carnegie hall CD, is my fifth try at it. i first tried it back in 2000, shortly after the sony/columbia 1999 carnegie hall "remaster" came out on the market- i was so offended by the sony's horrible sound quality that in my haste to make it more listenable, rushed the job and made an equally horrible-sounding coaster. it was a long process of learning how to listen deeply enough, combined with much needed practice by repetition on my restoration software package, that led me to my most recent definitive CD a full decade after my first try. i am eager for other people to listen to my version of this concert, and compare it with the various other versions out there. i'd frankly like for you to hear it also.
Sure, I'd love to have a copy!
I'll pm later and we can workout details. _________________ If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed. It is the person who continues in his self-deception and ignorance who is harmed.~Marcus Aurelius
Although I agree older popular music is better than modern popular music. I don't think people should judge modern music by the top charts. There are many underground artists around today, that are in it for the music. The underground scene is allot larger so it wouldn't make sense to judge by the top charts. Just don't expect to see them on television or hear them on commercialized radio stations. You could be surprised of how much great modern music you can find just by searching around the net. Sites like last.fm make finding new music very easy.
Oh yeah, I know about 'the underground' music, but the good bands and musicians like Russian Circles, James Blake and Pelican come few and far between.
