Joined: May 12, 2009 Age: 26 Posts: 4987 Location: Belgium
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject:
Joker wrote:
My half sister is a Jew we have the same father but not the same mother so it's ok to use racial slurs?
It's not for me or you to say whether it's ok. I saw no malicious intent in the statement and frankly it's none of our concern even if there was. It's between Aspierogue and ruveyn, I stepped in because you interjected with some unfounded statements. _________________ Chances are, if you're offended by something I said, it was an attempt at humour.
Joined: Mar 20, 2011 Age: 24 Posts: 7593 Location: North Carolina The Tar Heel State :)
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject:
Lecks wrote:
Joker wrote:
My half sister is a Jew we have the same father but not the same mother so it's ok to use racial slurs?
It's not for me or you to say whether it's ok. I saw no malicious intent in the statement and frankly it's none of our concern even if there was. It's between Aspierogue and ruveyn, I stepped in because you interjected with some unfounded statements.
The kike comment made me upset it would have upset you to if your half sister was a Jew so I gave a unfounded statement for his unfounded statement.
Nice unbiased videos here (ahaha kidding) _________________ Crom is a grim, gloomy and unforgiving god, ever watching from atop his mountain in dark clouds and obscuring mists, ready to pass disapproving judgment on any and all. But he is said to value courage and tenacity in mortals, even if they ultimately fail.
Joined: Jul 11, 2008 Age: 33 Posts: 2911 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject:
Even if they did make laws regulating circumcision, they'll likely still allow it for religious or medical reasons, like they did in South Africa. So, Jews and Muslims would still be able to have their sons circumcised.
Joined: Sep 22, 2008 Age: 76 Posts: 29317 Location: New Jersey
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject:
Lecks wrote:
It's been repeatedly pointed out that this is incorrect. Circumcision does not prevent penile cancer and smegma is not an issue when proper personal hygiene is maintained.
Penile cancer occurs less frequently in those circumcised than not. So does HIV. An circumcision is sure prevention of the Curse of Smegma
You should cut your hands, it will reduce you the work that is to wash them.
@THE CURSE OF SMEGMA. I am uncircumcised. Smegma is not a big deal at all, it is just something you need to wash during shower time just like you need to wash your feet. Unnecessary detail: It gives you pleasure to wash it even.
Since this topic is screaming to me that I shall give my opinion here it is:
- The supposed lesser infection rates are meaningless in comparison to the improvement in rates for using a condom.
- Pinile cancer rate studies are not convincing.
- Either way no rate found in regards to circumcision is relevant at all.
I won't deny that maybe 5000 years ago , it made a different, but in 2011, we have condoms and they are much better - Compare a 5% relative improvement to a 97% protection rate. The study ruveyn posted the other day was clear enough: There are not enough health reasons to promote widespread circumcision.
Now, about whether babies getting their penises cut is evil or wrong. It is actually true that there are tons and tons of people out there that went through it and they don't seem to be crazy because of it.
The claims about the uncircumcised penis giving more pleasure to the partner or the penis' owner are impossible to test as well.
So, what I must say here is that , for the life of god I cannot find any good scientific reason for or against circumcision. My common sense though tells me that it is probably not a good idea to put a knife close to my penis unless it was really, really necessary. But since science hardly has a say in regards to what is better or not, what parents do or don't with their babies' penises is their problem though. I for sure wouldn't do that, there is no need for that and in here the culture is not to circumcise them, but if you'd like to do that to your kid, go ahead.
Also, and to derail the topic, USamericans have to admit that the reason they are a majority of circumcised is not because of out of respect to semitic tradition nor to prevent penile cancer. But because US protestants during the 18-th (or 17-th? I am not sure) century were very scared of the idea of kids masturbating and thought that circumcision would be an effective counter-measure. _________________ .
Joined: Sep 22, 2008 Age: 76 Posts: 29317 Location: New Jersey
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:29 am Post subject:
Vexcalibur wrote:
I won't deny that maybe 5000 years ago , it made a different, but in 2011, we have condoms and they are much better - Compare a 5% relative improvement to a 97% protection rate. The study ruveyn posted the other day was clear enough: There are not enough health reasons to promote widespread circumcision.
You are quite right. Neo-natal circumcision is for the Jews. Not for you Gentiles.
You Gentiles can go around with appendages that look like the ones on dogs and horses. Jews will have tools that can only be human.
It seems my initial analysis of the behaviour of circumcised men was bang on. Ruveyn has rational, or at least reasonable opinions on most other topics. Second you bring up his wang, that flies out the window. From threatening war, justifying child mutilation without consent, proclaiming natural human penises don't look human, citing tradition as a good reason to continue a practice. There is no arguing, the rest of the species is just going to have to step in to stop this barbarism. _________________ Crom is a grim, gloomy and unforgiving god, ever watching from atop his mountain in dark clouds and obscuring mists, ready to pass disapproving judgment on any and all. But he is said to value courage and tenacity in mortals, even if they ultimately fail.
Joined: Sep 22, 2008 Age: 76 Posts: 29317 Location: New Jersey
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject:
lilypadfad wrote:
There is no arguing, the rest of the species is just going to have to step in to stop this barbarism.
No they won't. If King Atiochus could not stop circumcision, no government edict will. Aside from being unconstitutional it is impractical to try to stop what people are determined to do. Have the laws stopped, murder, theft, use of dope? Nope?
Remember just out side of the jurisdictional limit of the U.S sails the Hospital/Circumcision ship SS Mohel.
If the rest of the species want to remain as uncircumcised dogs that is there right.
If the rest of the species want to remain as uncircumcised dogs that is there right.
And yet you want to deprive Jewish children of that right. _________________ Crom is a grim, gloomy and unforgiving god, ever watching from atop his mountain in dark clouds and obscuring mists, ready to pass disapproving judgment on any and all. But he is said to value courage and tenacity in mortals, even if they ultimately fail.
Joined: Sep 22, 2008 Age: 76 Posts: 29317 Location: New Jersey
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:20 pm Post subject:
lilypadfad wrote:
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If the rest of the species want to remain as uncircumcised dogs that is there right.
And yet you want to deprive Jewish children of that right.
We love our children and will do what is best for them. You handle your kids your way, and we will treat our kids our way. No Jewish kid has yet been hurt by circumcision done under proper cleanliness conditions. And the kids grow up with a small chance of cancer of the glans penis, a smaller chance of contracting STDs etc. It is all for the best.
If you want your kids to have the greater risk of cancer or STDs go right ahead and keep your children intact. No one is forcing a thing on you.
There is no arguing, the rest of the species is just going to have to step in to stop this barbarism.
