meetvirginia
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| This topic is turning into a b***h about the ops topic. Can we please stop doing that? And Kate, as much I like you, would you kindly stop perseverating about how much you dislike #wrongplanet? It doesn't do any good to complain about a channel you hardly use. /rant |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: kate smith |
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Yes that is so true, i can stop complaining. I dont hardly use it, and it is pointless for me to rant on about a place i dont even really chat in. That was actually a great point there. Thank you for that one, it actually does make some sense there.
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meetvirginia: I can assure you we are working on restoring a better, more cohesive atmosphere to #wrongplanet. Complaints on this thread are, in my opinion, far more welcome for us, the ops of #wp, than extended dialogue in channel, which can become disruptive. Of course, the forum moderators may not be at all happy about that, but from here on in, I personally am willing to work with them to find an agreement on this. I don't speak for everyone, not even the rest of the op team. As a newcomer to the role, it would be extremely presumptuous of me to do so. Needless to say, even if I am the only one (which I honestly doubt), I am a #wp op watching this thread for feedback, and hoping to act accordingly to ensure #wrongplanet is a happy place for, perhaps not all chatters, but at least a majority. My message right now to all thinking of complaining here is 'please do complain if you feel strongly about something to do with the channel. It is a helpful way of contributing positively to the future of the channel. Just bear in mind that the forum has the same rules of respecting others that the channel does, and as long as the debate remains respectful, honest and appropriate, I see no reason why the forum mods would wish to take down the thread'
Katesmith: My recent urges for you to stand down were not in order to disregard your concerns. As I have shared with you many times, your concerns are about genuine issues that need to be resolved, and you have every right to express them, and I actually agree with you every step of the way. I have no intention of banning you from #wp, and I consider you to be both a good friend and an extremely valuable member of that channel. However, in the best interests of keeping drama out of the channel, I recognised that I couldn't allow you to continue expressing concern in such a vocal fashion, and also advertising other channels is against #wp policy, so that couldn't continue. I share the majority of your concerns, but it can become extremely disruptive if channel politics become the dominant topic discussed in channel.
forum mods (if you're watching): I take personal responsibility for the existence of this thread as of now. If it is felt to be in any way detrimental to the forum, please feel free to hold me accountable, as I plan to direct future complaints regarding the channel ops' actions to here, where they can be resolved away from the channel. Though many a dispute can be settled in a mere private conversation on IRC, it is clear that the issues that exist there are not simple things that can be easily solved one-on-one, but involve larger scale discussion between multiple parties. By taking personal responsibility for this thread, I do not merely accept that 'yes, I'm a channel op, so it's my fault'. Things are likely to be said here that have little to do with me, and therefore I cannot accept blame for them. What I am accepting, however, is that I have personally decided that this thread will from now be a sounding board for the users of #wrongplanet to express concerns regarding the channel. If, however, it is not to be that way, then I'll happily accept my account being removed from this forum, as well as my operator duties on the channel. I believe in the freedom to complain, and being the person granting that freedom right here, it is me who is gravely in the wrong if that freedom cannot be afforded.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Bunny I was just stating that this topic was getting a bit off topic. And when you get ops on wp? |
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meetvirginia: Not long ago, actually. About a week back, a couple of days before the latest channel-wide hiccup.
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| j0hnny wrote: | katesmith I'll explain it to you ok?
Someone like Mish who I fight with it is more or less that we get angry at each other sometimes. But from how I see it and have always seen it we still have respect for each other to some degree. Just because I get angry at someone doesn't make me a hateful person nor does it make Mish a hateful person. People have disagreements kate. This is life.
Now let me explain storms to you. When she doesn't get her way she throws temper tantrums and throws people out of her room or threatens people to throw them out simply based on disagreements or comments she doesn't like. Here is how storms operates and everyone knows this, anyone who brings up a topic of conversation she doesn't like or even if she doesn't like the person overall for whatever reason she refers to that person as a "wrong planet aspie". This can be very offensive as nobody likes to be labelled. The reason she threw me out was simply because she took a comment I made and twisted it into an insult which it was not an insult. This comment was that she was innocent and really anyone who knows storms knows she has a child like innocence where she doesn't know the ways of the world. This is what I mean't. She responded by saying "f**k you" and banning me cutting me right off giving me not even a chance to say anything or explain anything. She pretty much just dismissed me as a troll because that was just the easiest thing for her to do rather than listen to me. That is the situation kate and everyone who was there saw that happen. storms has also started fights with far more people than just me. kate seriously if you don't want to listen to me, why don't you ask other people what their honest opinion of storms is.
Now lets go into VTisKewl. VTisKewl and I used to be friends. We used to skype a lot and we used to pal around. He was even an op in my channel at one point. The problems started when I went to VTisKewl about Gossamer. I guess a lot of people in the room see Gossamer as some innocent kid or something. If anyone sees the logs in the room between Gossamer and I they will see that I didn't name names when I was referring to a specific situation. I said and I quote "a 15 year old NT girl" she was the one who flat out said it was her. A 15 year old NT girl could be anyone. Especially since I didn't say "A 15 year old girl on wrong planet who frequents the IRC". I gave no hints or anything that I was referring to her. Any ways I went to VTisKewl telling him how Gossamer tried to have me K Lined off Freenode and how she keeps sending me obnoxious PMs and won't leave me alone. VT basically dismissed the situation. When I saw that I got nowhere with VTisKewl I went to Warden Wolf. Warden Wolf didn't do anything either. Now the situation with Mish happens and all of a sudden VTisKewl's attitude changes towards me. He starts acting really rude and obnoxious. When I tell him I don't want to be his friend any more all of a sudden I get this PM from Gossamer that I'm no longer welcome in Wrong Planet and I have been perma banned which was obviously true because other people confirmed it. My guess is one of two things. Gossamer pushed for me to be perma banned because I apparently "embarrassed" and "offended" her which is ridiculous or VTisKewl was all hurt that I said I didn't want to be his friend so he pretty much went mental and said I was "disrespecting an op".
Anyways katesmith look at the people you're saying I start fights with "everyone" with. Hardly ANYONE gets along with Gossamer OR storms. You yourself threw Gossamer out of belz and had issues with her. Loads of people as of late not just me have had issues with storms. As far as VTisKewl is concerned I think he used to be a great guy, once he became an op his personality changed and he became a pretty rotten person IMO. |
Im not sure when this was posted, but if it was super old, oops. First of all, a lot of people would know that that means me, because of history, and because Im the only 15 year old nt girl know THERE, and for anyone who doesnt know it was me, there are enough people who would say who it is, and people would know then. Ive even been referred to as "the15 year old NT girl", so dont try and say that I outed myself, because I didnt and I am SURE that people would have known it was me if people had been active, and a couple of other people have been rude with a statement like Johnnys... wont say names. (it turned out not many people were active, thankfully)
And its also untrue that "hardly anyone" gets along with me, and I don't know why you are taking out your unfair punishment on me, and I also think that storms didn't really deserve all of that.
Thank goodness I found this post so I can sort it out. In forums, post are there forever unless theyre removed or whatever which makes it even worse than saying it in a channel >.> |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| LuckyBunny wrote: | | Complaints on this thread are, in my opinion, far more welcome for us, the ops of #wp, than extended dialogue in channel, which can become disruptive. Of course, the forum moderators may not be at all happy about that, but from here on in, I personally am willing to work with them to find an agreement on this. |
I think we've been mainly ignoring these topics, as they are about the IRC and that's nothing to do with us.
I happened to read this out of random curiosity.
As long as the forum rules are being followed, cool.
| Quote: | | forum mods (if you're watching): I take personal responsibility for the existence of this thread as of now. If it is felt to be in any way detrimental to the forum, please feel free to hold me accountable, as I plan to direct future complaints regarding the channel ops' actions to here, where they can be resolved away from the channel. |
Sounds like a good idea.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: kate smith |
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I am so sorry for what have happened to you johnny. I have to say that i was not there, so I really can not know what to say. Yes but there are other places to go besides wrongplanet.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| j0hnny wrote: | | MishLuvsHer2Boys wrote: | | During what was left of my time in the channel Johnny, I never really saw one person that said they didn't want you there to be honest. Sometimes you need to either start a conversation or jump into an existing one, it's not always easy once started on topic for some of us to break an ongoing one to start a new one. I am sorry that you felt that way there but I don't think it'd be anywhere near a unanimous decision to not accept you there. |
Perhaps you should be brought up to speed then.
<johnnyzero> People can sit and care about themselves while I self harm. Its sadly the way it is.
<johnnyzero> Nobody gives a sh** about what they do
<johnnyzero> and cause
<torako> you wouldn't give a sh** if i cut myself
<torako> lol
<johnnyzero> You don't know me then
<johnnyzero> Cause I would
<johnnyzero> Even if I dislike you
<Corin> Right now, I wouldn't care either.
<torako> Corin: about who? me or him?
<Corin> Him.
and then this:
Jul 07 02:15:27 <johnny> I feel like sending an e-mail to Alex Plank telling him how horrible being in his room is making me feel
Jul 07 02:15:36 <johnny> and how nobody gives a f**k to understand me
Jul 07 02:15:54 <P_B> If you want someone who doesn't give a f**k, go ahead and email Alex.
Sure enough I did e-mail Alex a couple of days ago and he hasn't gotten back to me yet.
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Jul 07 03:39:20 <Wespe> johnny: It'd be better if you weren't here.
Jul 07 03:41:52 <johnny> Whatever VT isKewl asked me to come back
Jul 07 03:41:55 <johnny> I didn't want to
Jul 07 03:42:08 <Wespe> Then why did you, jerkoff?
<AdrianGermain> yes johnny is very bad
Jul 06 23:46:33 <GermainAdrian> have u noticed johnny always comes up with the gayest stuff. |
Now Why would one think badly of OPS that lurk like Trolls? - I wonder if you can banned here for speaking the truth,
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| MishLuvsHer2Boys wrote: | | I think what bothers me about the channel is to claim one person's a troublemaker when others have done the same even within the op staff present and past. One shouldn't judge others unless they want others to judge them and bring out their faults upfront as well. Some end up getting dealt with while others get to go free and not have to face consequences and nothing is consistant. To say none other than me in that channel is trouble is blatant ignorance in itself. It wouldn't be me alone to attest to that. But to settle it down to "Oh we're sick of such and such user", is defeating the point of the matter that needs to be resolved. The channel is in chaos as it is and has been for years and has often gone with neglect to the rules and consequences, yes there seems to be a clique in that channel and many just won't stand up and say... there's something not right here, we need to fix this. We could put it down to this is such and such person whose to blame. Way I see it right now, it's not only the ops but the users that need to rectify this situation for the sake of the community we have. I don't consider anyone my enemy in that channel let alone any of the op staff, I don't always agree with how they handle things or how other users behave, but that's life. We've all got our issues and some more then others at times. Big deal. As far as I'm concerned, a person can be good person inherently even though they can make bad decisions regarding how they deal with things. I may not like something someone does or says but doesn't mean I disrespect them as a person. Some act out because they are sick of seeing things so blatantly wrong with a place that is supposed to be supportive... I've felt that way for years watching this channel. And this not lacking for trying to get Alex and some others to perhaps see that there was a problem too. Sometimes it's not till the problem becomes so obvious overall in front of one that it ever gets dealt with. |
There is a serious problem with the OPS. And If no one will have a mature and logical conversation, then there are people here who seriously need a another diagnosis.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: Re: That's the thing... |
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| Corin wrote: | We always tried to be fair, even if we didn't like someone. It's about keeping some sense of order in the channel, not banning people we deem are trolls. Of course, any operator who actually cares about the channel is ran off or forced out and not by any of the users or their peers. Some may have found us abusive and others may have said we weren't doing enough, but some people are likely to be dissatisfied with any type of management.
However, I do feel that there is now much more favoritism than there was before and that more people are being unfairly punished than ever. That is all I will say about this matter. |
LOL! Do you know what the word sociopath means?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Fused wrote: | it is not so much that said troll, and I know who you speak of, is being ignored, he has infact been reprimanded for his behaviour. the problem is, that you yourself failed to let the issue with him drop, if you could learn to ignore, it would all be sweet, but you kept it up, and yes, alex is correct, your behaviour was somewhat agressive, and borderline trollish, and therefore you have been temporarily removed from chat.
*putters off to lunch* |
Are you a trained and licensed psychiatrist? Or are you majoring in law?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| LuckyBunny wrote: | Thanks, Bateau  |
Whistle Whistle!
Beyond quirky
What many dictators do have in common, Post said, is a trait called "malignant narcissism." Malignant narcissists are extremely self-absorbed, and see themselves as saviors of their people. They have a paranoid attitude, blaming outside forces when things go wrong. Gadhafi, for example, blamed both the West and Al Qaeda for the Libyan uprising, even claiming that someone had slipped hallucinogens into the rebels' Nescafe.
Malignant narcissists also lack a conscience, and are willing to use whatever aggression is necessary to get their way, Post said. And because they are in total control, there are few societal checks on their personalities.
"As dictators, as opposed to democratic leaders, they are able to shape their country to fit their own psychology," Post said.
Gadhafi, however, may have gone beyond typical malignant narcissism, Post said. Some of Gadhafi's behavior was reminiscent of borderline personality disorder, he said, a disorder marked by unstable mood and behavior.
"He could get really high when he was succeeding, and act as if he felt he was totally invulnerable," Post said. When things weren't going well, Gadhafi could be just as unstable, as in his insistence during the Libyan uprising that his people loved him.
Bizarre behaviors
Some of Gadhafi's seemingly bizarre behaviors make more sense when viewed in the light of borderline personality and malignant narcissism. In the 1970s, for example, Gadhafi funded and supported the American religious movement The Children of God, which held among its more controversial beliefs that sex was an acceptable recruitment and conversion tool.
The leader of The Children of God, David Brandt Berg, was possibly himself a malignant narcissist, said Stephen Kent, a University of Alberta sociologist who has studied the group.
"Especially in the early days, Berg was virulently anti-American, and that anti-American virulence fit very well with Gadhafi," Kent told LiveScience. "Each thought the other legitimized himself."
Thanks to The Children of God's free love tendencies — they called proselytizing with sex "flirty fishing" — at least one child was born from a union between a woman in the group and a high-ranking official in Gadhafi's regime, Kent said.
Beneath the grandiosity
Underlying the delusions of grandeur of a malignant narcissist, however, is a sense of deep insecurity and low self-esteem, Post said.
Sometimes this insecurity has tragic consequences. Ugandan dictator Idi Amin was insecure about his lack of education, Post said, and he took out that sense of insecurity in deadly purges against intellectuals in his country.
As for Gadhafi, his sense of narcissism likely stayed with him until the end, Post said.
"He was not so psychotic that he could deny what was happening or that he'd lost his power," he said. "Having said that, I think he found it difficult to believe that it was his own people rising against him."
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| El_Genie wrote: | I suggest, Johnny, that your perception is flawed. I recognised that you were hurting, and made an effort to talk through some of that in the main channel with you. I also invited you back to the channel and tried to offer some kind words after you stormed out, assuming (incorrectly) that you were about to be banned. I am not sure why you've fixated on me, but I do know that it preceded any of the things you've discussed in this thread, when you decided that I was "very NT". The only thing I really asked of you was that you desist with an ongoing argument that I did not want to see continue in wp. I had the same requirement of everyone else involved, and when you all kept going, I set quiets on two or three people for about 20 minutes, as is my usual practice in such situations.
As for my own personality, my limited ability to adjust to a world which I feel so incompatible with, that you pointed out, is due to inordinate effort and thought dedicated to the task, combined with a decent memory, a will to change myself, and unusually high intelligence. Butit has not come easily, and it is by no means a complete process. I don't necessarily let on about how good or bad things are in my own life...
I repeat the invitation to join us again in wp. The hostility you've perceived is, I suspect, a product of your current feelings of alienation with everything, not just us. I did not witness anything particularly untoward directed at you.
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You should spend more time looking at your self. Instead of creating things in your mind that make you turn things around to benefit yourself in argument, because your afraid of the truth. - Let's see how you interpret this. My guess is aggressive, because as OP it's your duty to enforce the rules and that anything anyone else is doing must be negative and aggressive towards you, therefore giving yourself the justification to rain down your judgement. Perhaps your judgement is swayed? - P_B are you aware of this article? - it relates greatly towards you. http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/26/the-psychology-of-dictatorship-why-gaddafi-clings-to-power/
That's my opinion, your entitled to yours, but are you as mature? or as passive? - Will you abuse your power or will you accept your mortality?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:47 am Post subject: Re: That's the thing... |
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| Kail wrote: | | Corin wrote: | We always tried to be fair, even if we didn't like someone. It's about keeping some sense of order in the channel, not banning people we deem are trolls. Of course, any operator who actually cares about the channel is ran off or forced out and not by any of the users or their peers. Some may have found us abusive and others may have said we weren't doing enough, but some people are likely to be dissatisfied with any type of management.
However, I do feel that there is now much more favoritism than there was before and that more people are being unfairly punished than ever. That is all I will say about this matter. |
LOL! Do you know what the word sociopath means? |
Hey, please don't call people that and then ask others if they're a trained psychiatrist ... Are you one ? Or did I get wrong what's going on ? But the only thing I could come up with is that you were implying someone is one :/ |
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