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| One or two politically radical ideas |
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18% |
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| Two or more politically radical ideas |
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77% |
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| I don't have any radical ideas at all |
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3% |
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artrat
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| puddingmouse wrote: | | artrat wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | Tequila wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | Or you could just let people starve to death on an unprecedented scale. I mean, it's okay as personal philosophy, but I wonder how many primitivists have thought through what the widespread implications would be. If they have, and they're still primitivists, then they must be really misanthropic. |
I've heard of this ideology before. It is astonishingly disgusting and repellent. It takes some beating, put it that way. |
When you take it to its natural conclusion, yes. I'm often shocked by people's inability/unwillingness to do that.
I don't know if artrat hates tech and is a primitivist necessarily; she could feel, as a number of people do and have done in every age, that tech detracts from the full human experience and robs humans of their self-sufficiency. I disagree because it's very subjective as to what the 'human experience' should be and I doubt I could even survive in the wild if I wanted to, which I don't. |
Are you and tequila the same person ? After this post I am convinced that you are. |
No.
We live not for away from each other and I have met him in person. Trust me, there are many, many things that I disagree with him on. I just took to his habit of balding people's user names because I like it, if that's what you mean. I won't do it in future.
Or I might change my avatar to a big hammer and sickle, if that would help. |
It was bolding usernames but now I believe that you and tequila are two different people.
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puddingmouse
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| artrat wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | artrat wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | Tequila wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | Or you could just let people starve to death on an unprecedented scale. I mean, it's okay as personal philosophy, but I wonder how many primitivists have thought through what the widespread implications would be. If they have, and they're still primitivists, then they must be really misanthropic. |
I've heard of this ideology before. It is astonishingly disgusting and repellent. It takes some beating, put it that way. |
When you take it to its natural conclusion, yes. I'm often shocked by people's inability/unwillingness to do that.
I don't know if artrat hates tech and is a primitivist necessarily; she could feel, as a number of people do and have done in every age, that tech detracts from the full human experience and robs humans of their self-sufficiency. I disagree because it's very subjective as to what the 'human experience' should be and I doubt I could even survive in the wild if I wanted to, which I don't. |
Are you and tequila the same person ? After this post I am convinced that you are. |
No.
We live not for away from each other and I have met him in person. Trust me, there are many, many things that I disagree with him on. I just took to his habit of balding people's user names because I like it, if that's what you mean. I won't do it in future.
Or I might change my avatar to a big hammer and sickle, if that would help. |
It was bolding usernames but now I believe that you and tequila are two different people. |
lol, I said 'balding' usernames.
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unduki
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:13 am Post subject: |
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1. Annex Mexico
2. If everyone can't have a penis, no one should.
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Orwell
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Location: Room 101
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | The rent is too damn high! |
I demand you retract that statement, Orwell; you don't have the epic facial hair for it!  |
I'm not too far off, actually. Although I don't shave my beard into that pattern. Perhaps I should.
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:35 am Post subject: |
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How about governments not spending any more money than they take in by way of taxes, fees and sales of assets. In short outlay should not exceed income.
The very idea takes my breath away.
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Tequila
Trust the people!
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Posts: 26039
Location: Lancashire, UK
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| artrat wrote: | | Are you and tequila the same person ? After this post I am convinced that you are. |
No, we're not. Definitely not.
I'm a right-wing classical liberal nationalist anti-EU type, she's a left-wing socialist nanny-stater. Poles apart, basically. Though we do agree on the EU and on mass immigration, that's about it I think.
Correct. 
| puddingmouse wrote: | | We live not for away from each other |
Yes, it's about 40 miles isn't it? Nearly an hour in the car.
| puddingmouse wrote: | | and I have met him in person. |
And I nearly gave you a perforated eardrum through being such a loudmouth.
I did drink too much though. Again. If we meet again, I'll try and stick to the espresso and I'll never attempt that poxy market again at the weekend!
| puddingmouse wrote: | | Trust me, there are many, many things that I disagree with him on. |
See above.
| puddingmouse wrote: | | I just took to his habit of bolding people's usernames because I like it, if that's what you mean. I won't do it in future. |
The cease and desist letters are being sent as we speak, love.
| puddingmouse wrote: | | Or I might change my avatar to a big hammer and sickle, if that would help. |
Here you go:
Though I would think as a socialist and not a communist a red flag would be more to your taste.
All together now:
| Quote: | An unbreakable union of free republics,
Great Rus' joined together forever.
Long live the creation of the will of the peoples,
The united, the mighty Soviet Union!
CHORUS:
Be glorified, our fatherland, united and free!
The sure bulwark of the friendship of the peoples!
Flag of the Soviets, Flag of the people,
Let it lead from victory to victory!
Through storms the sun of freedom has shined upon us,
And the great Lenin has lighted the way
Stalin has taught us faithfulness to the people,
To labour, and inspired us to great feats!
CHORUS:
Be glorified, our fatherland, united and free!
The sure bulwark of the happiness of the peoples!
Flag of the Soviets, Flag of the people,
Let it lead from victory to victory!
We brought our army to the battles.
We shall brave the despicable invaders from the street!
In battles we shall decide the fate of generations,
We shall lead to the glory of the Motherland!
CHORUS:
Be glorified, our fatherland, united and free!
The sure bulwark of the glory of the peoples!
Flag of the Soviets, Flag of the people,
Let it lead from victory to victory! |
| artrat wrote: | | It was bolding usernames but now I believe that you and tequila are two different people. |
Good; I'm glad we've got that sorted out. |
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you_are_what_you_is
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I have a lot of radical ideas. If I were king, society would look very different indeed.
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Dox47
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | I'm not too far off, actually. Although I don't shave my beard into that pattern. Perhaps I should. |
Perhaps I've misjudged you Orwell, everyone knows that deep political thought requires outlandish facial hair, and it sounds like you have what it takes. I prefer the Victorian handlebar mustache myself, as it can be waxed up for a V for Vendetta look or down for more of a Dr. Watson, or even straight out for western gunslinger. You sound like you might have the Marx/UNIX programmer thing going on, especially if paired with suspenders. Just stay away from that creepy pencil thin chinstrap thing, that just looks skeevy on anyone, not properly epic at all.
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donnie_darko
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Age: 23
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| you_are_what_you_is wrote: | | Tequila wrote: | | you_are_what_you_is wrote: | | bestiality |
There's something about some specific areas of bestiality that are intriguing in that sort of WTF sort of a way. Like a pretty lady drinking masses of horse urine for example. It's just so sick and perverted that it raises a smile.
Most of it just makes me want to retch though. |
It makes me want to retch, too. That's nowhere near enough a good reason to make it illegal, though. |
What about the distress it might cause animals? I mean, animals probably wouldn't care as much as people since they likely lack our sense of prudity, but I'm sure it would be at least somewhat distressing to them to be used sexually. |
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donnie_darko
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| Descartes wrote: | | gemstone123 wrote: | | Doesn't result in a child? If incest is made legal unless you sterilize the people involved then some are bound to result in children being born. |
If a child is conceived as a result of inbreeding, then there's really nothing we can do about it. We can't force the mother to have an abortion because that would violate her free will, nor can we kill the child once it's born because that would be inhumane. But if we're going to criminalize incest for no other reason than that it might result in a child with genetic defects, then the next logical step would be to criminalize two people both with some sort of mental disorder from reproducing. |
That's a very good point. Personally, I find incest gross, but I don't think people who engage in it are evil. I actually was opposed to legalizing it because of the birth defect issue, but you make a perfect point. I mean, you're right, like, if I married an Aspergers woman, they would have just as much reason to force us to abort or sterilize as they would a child of incest. In other words, no reason at all. |
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donnie_darko
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Throwing out the government and replacing it with turtles. |
This made me LOL.  |
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donnie_darko
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| Janissy wrote: |
I have read that the entire concept of "justice system" was invented in societies around the world mainly because it is impossible for people to live together in a society if there is not at least some hope of justice for murder victims. The concept of "justice system" was invented by all societies to stop the cycle of retribution murder that happens whenever murderers aren't held accountable. There have always been people high up enough in the social hierarchy that this didn't apply to them. But it needs to exist for at least the majority of the population in order for a society to survive. Even the pretty well connected Marquis de Sade did jail time for the violence that became his namesake. |
That actually makes perfect sense. I've always seen justice as being just regulated revenge, rather than really being a way of preventing crime. |
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donnie_darko
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| As for my radical idea - I actually support a breakup of the United States. Only if it was done completely peacefully though. |
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Tequila
Trust the people!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | What about the distress it might cause animals? |
Bestiality is legal in Denmark but only if it doesn't cause severe harm or distress to the animals. I personally think it's a bit vile. |
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you_are_what_you_is
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | you_are_what_you_is wrote: | | It makes me want to retch, too. That's nowhere near enough a good reason to make it illegal, though. |
What about the distress it might cause animals? I mean, animals probably wouldn't care as much as people since they likely lack our sense of prudity, but I'm sure it would be at least somewhat distressing to them to be used sexually. |
Some sexual acts are likely to cause pain and distress, and I'm fine with those being outlawed. But some are okay. I see no reason why, for example, letting a dog penetrate you would be at all objectionable for the dog.
Bear in mind, by the way, that plenty of people who are opposed to bestiality because they're worried about it causing pain/distress have no qualms about supporting the incredible cruelties of the current meat industry.
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