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| This sounds just like something that would happen in a prison cafeteria. |
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| I hope the child gets help, not punishment. |
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| ebec11 wrote: | | I hope the child gets help, not punishment. |
Yep..this. Who would charge a 5 year old with any crime? That's just criminal. |
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League_Girl
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I would think the boy stabbed them with a pencil or something but apparently he used a weapon or something because the people went to the hospital. The boy has anger issues according to the article so that explain it. I never stabbed anyone like that as a child, no kid does that unless they are psychotic. He needs help, not a criminal record. That would ruin his future as an adult for something he did at a five years old.
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| League_Girl wrote: | | I would think the boy stabbed them with a pencil or something but transparently he used a weapon or something because the people went to the hospital. The boy has anger issues according to the article so that explain it. I never stabbed anyone like that as a child, no kid does that unless they are psychotic. He needs help, not a criminal record. That would ruin his future as an adult for something he did at a five years old. |
I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think the kid is psychotic. I think he just has anger problems and doesn't understand the reprecussions of stabbing. He's too young to understand what killing is or that death is final. I seriously doubt he intended to kill; he was probably just lashing out because of anger.
He does need help; he needs help learning to deal with his anger, and he needs to be told about what death REALLY means, not just what it means on TV or in video games. |
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| diniesaur wrote: | | League_Girl wrote: | | I would think the boy stabbed them with a pencil or something but transparently he used a weapon or something because the people went to the hospital. The boy has anger issues according to the article so that explain it. I never stabbed anyone like that as a child, no kid does that unless they are psychotic. He needs help, not a criminal record. That would ruin his future as an adult for something he did at a five years old. |
I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think the kid is psychotic. I think he just has anger problems and doesn't understand the reprecussions of stabbing. He's too young to understand what killing is or that death is final. I seriously doubt he intended to kill; he was probably just lashing out because of anger.
He does need help; he needs help learning to deal with his anger, and he needs to be told about what death REALLY means, not just what it means on TV or in video games. |
You're right, according ot the definition of it, it's someone suffering from psychosis and according to wikipedia it's where the person suffers from delusions or hallucinations. So that would mean RAD kids aren't psychotic since they don't have those, maybe sociopath be a better word.
I'm not saying the kid has RAD, it only said he has anger issues. Sociopath would have been a better word than psychotic. |
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I read that and my mind locked to the memory of the guy that made that ninja website meme....
... when the waitress dropped a spoon and the ninja flipped out and killed the whole town. |
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that is insane that they wanted to charge the boy with a crime...he is too young to even know what death is or the full extent of his actions which should exclude him in the legal process from punishment.
He needs help, not a rap sheet begining at 5....that is just ridiculous!!
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| If someone stabs someone, that's a crime and it should be treated as such. Other circumstances surrounding the case many be taken into consideration when it comes to sentencing, but a crime is a crime. |
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| Asp-Z wrote: | | If someone stabs someone, that's a crime and it should be treated as such. Other circumstances surrounding the case many be taken into consideration when it comes to sentencing, but a crime is a crime. |
What if a two year old committed a crime? Should they be arrested for it too and charged and treated as such? |
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| League_Girl wrote: | | Asp-Z wrote: | | If someone stabs someone, that's a crime and it should be treated as such. Other circumstances surrounding the case many be taken into consideration when it comes to sentencing, but a crime is a crime. |
What if a two year old committed a crime? Should they be arrested for it too and charged and treated as such? |
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| Asp-Z wrote: | | League_Girl wrote: | | Asp-Z wrote: | | If someone stabs someone, that's a crime and it should be treated as such. Other circumstances surrounding the case many be taken into consideration when it comes to sentencing, but a crime is a crime. |
What if a two year old committed a crime? Should they be arrested for it too and charged and treated as such? |
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In order for it be a crime, you have to prove intention to commit the crime (at least in the US) A 2 year old or a 5 year old have no concept of death therefore cant concemplate trying to kill someone.
A young child or a toddler have not fully developed morality and dont know right or wrong...therefore punishment would do no good.
I cant believe you would actually approve of sentancing a baby to detentional centers....that cruel and unusual punishment. How is a baby going to defend themselves from the gangster thugs of juvinile detention centers.
I just cannot believe that you actually think a 2 year old is capable of being responcible for their own actions, hell they cant even dress themselves or change their diapers and you think they should be capable of understanding what attempted murder is??
That is just sick.
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| jojobean wrote: | | Asp-Z wrote: | | League_Girl wrote: | | Asp-Z wrote: | | If someone stabs someone, that's a crime and it should be treated as such. Other circumstances surrounding the case many be taken into consideration when it comes to sentencing, but a crime is a crime. |
What if a two year old committed a crime? Should they be arrested for it too and charged and treated as such? |
Yep. |
In order for it be a crime, you have to prove intention to commit the crime (at least in the US) A 2 year old or a 5 year old have no concept of death therefore cant concemplate trying to kill someone.
A young child or a toddler have not fully developed morality and dont know right or wrong...therefore punishment would do no good.
I cant believe you would actually approve of sentancing a baby to detentional centers....that cruel and unusual punishment. How is a baby going to defend themselves from the gangster thugs of juvinile detention centers.
I just cannot believe that you actually think a 2 year old is capable of being responcible for their own actions, hell they cant even dress themselves or change their diapers and you think they should be capable of understanding what attempted murder is??
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Talk about the black and white thinking. Not you, him.
Plus when mentally disabled adults commit a crime, they lock them up in prison or a hospital if they were found unfit to stand trial and held unaccountable for their actions. But when a kid does it, they don't get locked up. When they are older they may be given help if the judge decides to go easy on them and decides they just need help, not to be sentenced. Instead they are sentenced to treatment while they are locked away.
But kids grow up and learn, adults with mental retardation do not grow out of things so if they commit a crime, they are seen a a danger to the public so they lock them away for safety. That's how I look at it.
My mother tells me I tried to kill my brother when I was three but I have a hard time believing that. I didn't even know about death back then so how could I possibly be trying to kill my brother? I am thinking I was just trying to muffle out his crying, not kill him and my mother assumed it. What three year old would know that putting a pillow over a baby will suffocate them and die? I still didn't know that at age ten and I was in six grade when I learned that. But yet if an adult did it and they weren't even trying to kill the baby but they did it anyway to muffle out the cries, they would still get charged with murder because they should have known better. So yeah you can still be convicted of a crime even if it wasn't your intent. I would think the adult was stupid if that happened because they should know. I would probably have a hard time believing that someone wouldn't know that putting a pillow over a baby's face would kill them unless they were mentally disabled or something. If it mentioned they were high on drugs when they did it, I'd buy it because drugs can really make you do stupid things and make you not understand what you are doing and being aware of your actions at the time. But people who do drugs and then commit a crime still get charged for it even if it wasn't their intent at the time. My mom would tell me it's all about using good judgment and doing drugs is poor judgment so people should have to pay for the choices they made and face the consequence of doing it.
I also remember reading an article online when I was 15 about a 14 year old boy who would be in prison for the rest of his life. He was being transferred from Juvenal hall to a real prison. When he was 12 years old, he was wrestling with his six year old play mate. He even managed to throw her down the stairs and she hit her head so hard, she died from the head injury. He did get charged with murder. From the sound of it, the death sounded like an accident because he was just playing. Mom told me he should have use good judgment. Even at 12 years old I would know to not throw a child down the stairs because they can get hurt. Sure I was not aware of death could occur to that but I still wouldn't have tossed a small child down the stairs because I wouldn't want to hurt them. But sadly this boy would have to suffer for the rest of his life for something he did when he was a child. So even if the crime may not have been his intent, he still got charged for it. Maybe that is where asp Z is coming from. I think it's absurd to charge a small child for a crime.
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