AstroGeek
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| Mysty wrote: | | leviathans wrote: | | Mysty wrote: |
In it's most common wrong usage, pedophile refers to someone who engages in sexual behavior with children, with or without sexual desire to go with those actions. |
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YOUR opinion that that's wrong usage. But no one put you in charge of the English language.
Wiktionary puts it well:
| Quote: | | Although strictly defined as one who is attracted to pre-pubescent children, pedophile is usually used and interpreted as describing adults who engage in sexual activity with children and/or teenagers below the age of consent. |
Like it or not, that looser usage is out there and more common in usage than the stricter definition.
Two meanings of the same word, related but different. That's reality. And that's quite often how language works. |
Let me put this to rest by saying that I was using the word in the sense of leviathin's definition. I thought that that was obvious from the context, but I guess not. |
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| iceveela wrote: | Now that THAT is over with! Lets go back on topic!!!
Should the lesbian and Gay community Shun the Bisexual and Transgender community? |
No. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| AstroGeek wrote: | | iceveela wrote: | Now that THAT is over with! Lets go back on topic!!!
Should the lesbian and Gay community Shun the Bisexual and Transgender community? |
No. |
Since when are bisexuality and transgenderism/transsexualism/etc paired together? |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| camelCase wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | iceveela wrote: | | Now that THAT is over with! Lets go back on topic!!! Should the lesbian and Gay community Shun the Bisexual and Transgender community? |
No. |
Since when are bisexuality and transgenderism/transsexualism/etc paired together? |
Since they are not considered "Straight". That's why LGBT is one broad category. It's like the NAACP gathering in all non-whites under one organization so as to join forces and make a bigger noise than any one category possibly could.
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I actually agree. Transgender/Transsexuals/Transvestites/Androgynous People, ETC ETC should all have their own group. As they are not really related to sexual orientation.
I'm asexual myself, I think it should be LGBA (A For Asexual).
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, here's an idea! Why don't all of us gays leave so that then you can all be a BLT! |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| RandomNickname wrote: | I actually agree. Transgender/Transsexuals/Transvestites/Androgynous People, ETC ETC should all have their own group. As they are not really related to sexual orientation.
I'm asexual myself, I think it should be LGBA (A For Asexual). |
Isn't saying asexual is an orientation a bit like calling Atheism a religion? |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| RandomNickname wrote: | | I actually agree. Transgender/Transsexuals/Transvestites/Androgynous People, ETC ETC should all have their own group. As they are not really related to sexual orientation. |
This.
Though I do think bisexuals belong in the list of abbreviations, because there are a large amount of bisexuals within the LGBQA-everyotherabbreviations community that are open and supportive of the whole spectrum, and we can't knock all of them just because some are secretive about it/claim they're bisexual for the wrong reasons. |
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| iceveela wrote: | | Should the lesbian and Gay community Shun the Bisexual and Transgender community? |
Good point. We should get back on topic. =)
No, I don't think they should. I know there is a lot of anti-trans from gays and lesbians. But transgenders are often included because what happens someone transitions to a man and still loves man or vice versa? That's why transgendered people are part of the LGBTQ. We are not part of the gender, and sometimes, sexuality norm.
To address the OP, there are exclusive LG organizations. If you want a place for only lesbians or gays then join that organization. But most organizations thrive on being inclusive because both LG and BT people are only a very small part of the population. There is strength in numbers.
I am part of an exclusive trans organization and part of a LGBTQ organization. |
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thatsrobrageous
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Time for LG to drop the BT! |
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| AspieRoss wrote: | I know this is not a popular opinion, but here it is.
Gays and Lesbians NEVER get any support from the tens of thousands of Bi-Sexuals out there. NEVER. You never here from self-proclaimed BI's on TV or marching in parades. They don't like us, and avoid associating with us.
So how about we let them have their own alliance. Separate them from the Lesbian Gay Alliance.
Also - Transgenders/Transexuals claim to be born the wrong gender... which is NOT being gay at all.
They should have their own alliance, since they are unique... they don't fit into Straight or Gay alliances, since they claim to be Straight/just born the wrong gender. Again, I don't believe the Lesbian and Gay alliances are being served by including this sub-sect of society into our groups.
So come on all you Gays and Lesbians. BOYCOTT the term LGBT!!
It's time for us to stop trying to be so politically correct. Let's make our groups L/G or G/L groups... and lets finally grop the BT.
Bisexuals don't need a group, since they never identify as BI (at least publicly).
Transexuals need their own group, since their issues are unique. |
Well The LGBT term should be kept the way it is. all of the things in common with it have to do with gender identity. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| AstroGeek wrote: | | Hey, here's an idea! Why don't all of us gays leave so that then you can all be a BLT! |
Mmmm that sounds very yummy 
On a serious note not very practical I think this thread is a little silly, and as a bisexual I'm even a little offended. I'd stand up for my LG friends and I don't see the problem with lumping LGBT together. I feel that uniting those sexual orientations other than straight is a good way to deal with similar challenges like bigotry, or just plain bullying in general.
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What do G/L/B/T have in common?
Being persecuted for a fundamental inability/refusal to comply with established gender roles.
That's enough for me to think that it's in everyone's best interest to stick together. |
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KittyCommand0r
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The LGBT Rights movement wouldn't be where it is today with out the T. Lets not disgrace those who became before us like transsexual Sylvia Rivera who was there and one of the first to fight back during the stonewall riots by forgetting them and starting arguments like lets remove the B and the T. Absurd. Here we are in a world where people are still being put to death for being L,G,B, or T and we have people within the LGBT community arguing to leave the B and the T behind.
When a transsexual person goes through transition, they are going to end up on the Gay or Lesbian spectrum in a lot of people's eyes regardless of their situation. I am a transsexual female and have always been attracted to women. When I was 16, it was totally cool to hold my girlfriends hand and walk down the street. By the time I turned 22 and had transitioned already and found a partner, doing something simple like holding my girlfriends hand was now a spectacle and drawing stares from everyone or having to hear people yell at us and call us stupid dykes So you are going to tell me that Transgender people should be removed from the whole LGBT group when you have no idea what it is like growing up trans and experiencing relationships is just a ridiculous uneducated opinion. And like I said above. The LGBT community would not be where it is today with out the T. |
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LGBT should all be part of the same group and, actually, CAN'T be separated...all because of the fact that their members all possess unconventional sexual orientations or gender identities for someone of their inherited biological sex.
End of story. That was the whole point to begin with, right? That's why they're all lumped together. All four groups have separate definitions, but the key here is the unconventionality in either their identity or their mate preference.
Anyone who does not possess a conventional mate preference for someone of their sex and/or a conventional gender identity for someone of their sex, is a lesbian, a gay, a bisexual, or a transgender.
Therefore, there's no need to "officially" divide ourselves in any way.
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I think there would be a lot less support for gay rights in general and gay marriage in particular if it wasn't for the huge number of bisexual and bi-curious people who strongly support the gay rights movement.
As for transgender and transsexual people... is a genderfluid drag queen who is attracted to men not gay? What about an M2F transsexual who is attracted to women? Is she not a lesbian? And even if a trans person is heterosexual (according to their gender identity, not their biological sex), there is still a lot of common ground with other people who don't fit into the rigid societal gender stereotypes.
I find it very disheartening when minorities throw other minorities under the bus, or when civil rights activists are hostile towards other disenfranchised groups. I've seen gays who hate on bisexuals, feminists who condemn transsexuals, and ethnic minorities who discriminate against new immigrants. I simply don't get it. We are all up against the same conservative moralists who seek to marginalize and control everyone who doesn't fit into their neat little Christian picket fence world, and we have a lot more to gain by sticking together. |
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