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| jamieevren1210 wrote: | | wogaboo wrote: | | jamieevren1210 wrote: | | Maybe, maybe not. Nerds are often classified under bap which is not technically true autism. |
What's bap? |
Broad autism phenotype, means someone's a bit autistic but not quite |
There is no such thing as a bit autistic.......I swear if people think that it will soon be common to hear things like 'oh sorry I'm late I'm a bit autistic.' 'oh you're a bit autistic too? that's cool.' then the person serving the meal who happens to actually have autism comes up to take the order and goes about it awkwardly and walks away then the other two say 'what is that waitress retarded or something?'
So yeah no kind of autistic and don't ask me why someone with autism would want to be a waitress...lol
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Is autism just extreme nerdiness? |
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| so_subtly_strange wrote: | | wogaboo wrote: | | Long before autism and aspergers entered the public consciousness, there existed the stereotype of the nerd: A socially awkward physically uncoordinated guy with an obsessive interest in math related concepts. The stereotypical nerd sounds like someone with mild or borderline autism, and indeed a disproportionate number of autistics seem to have parents who work in nerdy fields like engineering or computer programming. However a key difference between nerds and autistics is that nerds tend to be smart and rich (Bill Gates) while autistics are often disabled and unemployed. So my theory is that there's an optimum amount of nerdiness needed to be intelligent and successful, however too much nerdiness impedes intellectual and/or emotional development to the point where it's a disability we label autism. So while autistics are too nerdy for their own good, the relatives of autistics will regress to the mean in nerdiness, and if they're lucky, they will regress to the optimum amount of nerdiness needed to be smart and successful. |
i dont know if you realize how many over-generalizations you made here. yes there are some similarities between 'higher functioning' individuals with autism spectrum disorders and the stereotype you speak of. there may be a case that many individuals with aspergian or broad autism phenotypic traits contributed to the forging of a stereotype. however what you are neglecting is that it is a STEREOTYPE . it is an uncomprehensive and relatively useless term that has no place in civilized discussion. i dont understand why you would bother to make a theory about it.
i bolded sections of your words that to me define a coalescence of ignorance.
I would like to in particular respond to your assertion autistics are often disabled and unemployed. This is rather insulting in the context you presented it, whether or not you meant to be. If this was not your intention perhaps you may take this as a learning opportunity to be more mindful in the future. there are plenty of neurotypical white trash who live off unemployment for no good reason too. I'd be mildly interested to find which condition constitutes the majority of government money collectors, i suspect that the autistic might occupy a negligible percentage of this total population.
also real quick to preempt any response to my useage of the term 'white trash', i am here invoking my right commonly recognized that members of a particular group are allowed to use the derogatory terms for their group without fear of repercussion. Jews can make jew jokes, people of more recent african descent can use the n word (though we are all of african descent if you evaluate the evidence), and so on. I am half white trash from my fathers side. And this is not to insult my father, he actually became a business man against odds, and possibly with some credit to his autistic tendencies and proficiency with numbers. |
Well I guess if you consider yourself white trash you can use the term......but how is saying autistics are often disabled and unemployed any more offensive then claiming neurotypicals on unemployment are white trash(obviously not everyone is going to know you use the term to describe yourself and most are aware the term is mostly used as an insult).
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That's a stereotype. I'm not nerdy at all, just wierd but not in a nerdy way.
I remember when the word "nerd" came into popular use. I was in school, and Fonzie used to call Richie, Ralph and Potsie "nerds" because they were "uncool". Richie might have fitted more of the more modern stereotypes of "nerd" than the others, but Ralph and Potsie didn't at all. They all also had good social skills, but different ones than Fonzie had. They were "good kids" and sheltered somewhat. They had friends, dates, went to parties, played team sports. Did OK in school or sometimes were only barely getting by in school, but they weren't at all what we think of as a "nerd" now.
That Carradine boy in "Revenge of the Nerds" played a more modern stereotype of the nerd. That was closer to a decade after the word first became popular. Bluto in "Animal House" was extremely socially awkward but in no way could be considered a "nerd", so it's not just that.
I know that nowadays "nerd" means something very different, but I always see nerds as people who just aren't cool. Cheerleaders and Jocks were called "nerds" back in my day. I was a majorette and on the girls basketball team and in band, and did good in school, so I was the "nerdy type" back then, but nothing at all like the "nerdy type" that people think of now, even though I had crap for social skills.
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"Nerd"? Me? Yeah. And VERY likely with an ASD.
But are all nerds autistic? NO. But probably there are plenty of AS people that do fit that TOO GENERAl & POP Cultural term.
Certainly, not every ASD person fits the nerd sterotype. So the statement is rather useless in actuality.
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| Autism is not extreme nerdiness. Autism is not extreme ____________. Fill into blank "nerdiness", "shyness", "smartness", "stupidness", "Loch Ness Monsterness", etc etc etc. |
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| btbnnyr wrote: | | Autism is not extreme nerdiness. Autism is not extreme ____________. Fill into blank "nerdiness", "shyness", "smartness", "stupidness", "Loch Ness Monsterness", etc etc etc. |
What about autisticness?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Is autism just extreme nerdiness? |
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| Verdandi wrote: | | so_subtly_strange wrote: |
I would like to in particular respond to your assertion autistics are often disabled and unemployed. This is rather insulting in the context you presented it, whether or not you meant to be. If this was not your intention perhaps you may take this as a learning opportunity to be more mindful in the future. there are plenty of neurotypical white trash who live off unemployment for no good reason too. I'd be mildly interested to find which condition constitutes the majority of government money collectors, i suspect that the autistic might occupy a negligible percentage of this total population. |
90% of autistic people are unemployed. This is a simple fact - how is it insulting? |
I've seen that statistic before, how old is it, and how was it collected?
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| btbnnyr wrote: | | Autism is not extreme nerdiness. Autism is not extreme ____________. Fill into blank "nerdiness", "shyness", "smartness", "stupidness", "Loch Ness Monsterness", etc etc etc. |
OMG it would be SO FREAKING COOL if it WERE extreme "Loch Ness Monsterness"!!!!!
No really, give it a thought for a minute.
I bet we would never be bullied.
Except maybe by Bigfoot.
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| OliveOilMom wrote: | | btbnnyr wrote: | | Autism is not extreme nerdiness. Autism is not extreme ____________. Fill into blank "nerdiness", "shyness", "smartness", "stupidness", "Loch Ness Monsterness", etc etc etc. |
OMG it would be SO FREAKING COOL if it WERE extreme "Loch Ness Monsterness"!!!!!
No really, give it a thought for a minute.
I bet we would never be bullied.
Except maybe by Bigfoot. |
The landlubber subtype of autism is extreme Abominable Snowmanness. Bigfoot and Sasquatch no match for Abominable Snowman, except in seasons that are not winter. White Witch makes it winter always in Narnia. |
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| btbnnyr wrote: | | OliveOilMom wrote: | | btbnnyr wrote: | | Autism is not extreme nerdiness. Autism is not extreme ____________. Fill into blank "nerdiness", "shyness", "smartness", "stupidness", "Loch Ness Monsterness", etc etc etc. |
OMG it would be SO FREAKING COOL if it WERE extreme "Loch Ness Monsterness"!!!!!
No really, give it a thought for a minute.
I bet we would never be bullied.
Except maybe by Bigfoot. |
The landlubber subtype of autism is extreme Abominable Snowmanness. Bigfoot and Sasquatch no match for Abominable Snowman, except in seasons that are not winter. White Witch makes it winter always in Narnia. |
ind of like the Bumble's in that one Christmas movie? Bumbles bounce!
I'd personally like to be extreme unicorns, vampires, or possibly even a pegasus.
Although one fiction writer has a creature that to me seems based on us. The Taltos of Ann Rice. (Mayfair Witches saga, and also in Blood Canticle)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Is autism just extreme nerdiness? |
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| Ganondox wrote: | | Verdandi wrote: | | so_subtly_strange wrote: |
I would like to in particular respond to your assertion autistics are often disabled and unemployed. This is rather insulting in the context you presented it, whether or not you meant to be. If this was not your intention perhaps you may take this as a learning opportunity to be more mindful in the future. there are plenty of neurotypical white trash who live off unemployment for no good reason too. I'd be mildly interested to find which condition constitutes the majority of government money collectors, i suspect that the autistic might occupy a negligible percentage of this total population. |
90% of autistic people are unemployed. This is a simple fact - how is it insulting? |
I've seen that statistic before, how old is it, and how was it collected? |
Verdandi will probably tell you - and I agree - that it is a flawed statistic since the most high functioning people on the autism spectrum are undiagnosed and too old to be in school, so they'll probably never be diagnosed, this group is the "invisible" generation of mild autistics who probably word at a much higher percent then 10%
In short, any statistic about autism and employment is going to be unfavorable since there's alwats a slant towards lower functioning people who are "on the system" as opposed to those invisable auties who I suspect actually make up the majority.
But if I was to venture a guess, I'd still say autistics are less likely to be employed then baseline humans, that's true of all disabilities I assume. The most grim statistics are for schizophrenics, they get very little support.
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| Nerds are usually unpopular due to physical shortcomings. They tend to be not very attractive or athletic, and as a result they are often bullied and picked on and only befriended by fellow nerds. Or by aspies, seeing that my only friends back in school were a couple of nerds. But unlike me, they were perfectly able to function in a social setting. A bit shy perhaps, but not unable to make eye contact or read nonverbal cues. And of course they didn't have any meltdowns and didn't engage in stimming or anything. |
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| CrazyCatLord wrote: | | Nerds are usually unpopular due to physical shortcomings. They tend to be not very attractive or athletic, and as a result they are often bullied and picked on and only befriended by fellow nerds. Or by aspies, seeing that my only friends back in school were a couple of nerds. But unlike me, they were perfectly able to function in a social setting. A bit shy perhaps, but not unable to make eye contact or read nonverbal cues. And of course they didn't have any meltdowns and didn't engage in stimming or anything. |
At my school even the nerds did not talk to me.
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No, not necessarily. I'm not a nerd, and being into computers is not nerdy any more - it's just a childish stereotype. I know lots of NTs who like computers or are always using a computer. My NT cousin is an expert on computers but is far from a nerd.
When I was at High school I seemed to attract kids who had underaverage intelligence, and smoked ''rollies'' and skipped school and argued back at teachers and just sat in lessons on their phones and putting make-up on and not bothering to even care about their education, then finally got themseles expelled somehow. I never seemed to attract nerds.
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| R83 wrote: | If you are a female autist, chances are you don't resemble a 'nerd'.
I think of a nerd as someone (male, generally) who is very into maths, engineering, computing etc and has bad social skills. That could cover an awful lot of people, most of whom won't be autistic, and in addition there are all the autistic people who are not into one of the subjects about, and all of the ones who have issues with social skills but hide them. |
There are plenty of female nerds and plenty of female spectrumites who are also nerds.
I'd not at all agree that autism is extreme nerdiness, but this comment still bothers me a lot, as someone who has only had friends who were nerds, most of whom were female. (And I'm totally one of those nerdy female spectrumites, who does in fact fall into the nerdy category as well as geek category.) |
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