Ok, it looks like there is four types of thinkers here: Completely Nonverbal, Semi-Nonverbal (lacks an active internal monologe, but it sill apears at times), Mixed (has an active internal monolouge, but also thinks in pictures at the same time), and hyperverbal. And then there is whatever Tuttle is, as she claims to be nonverbal, but non-pictorial either. I say I'm mixed.
What about a mix of three? Verbal, visual and concepts. The concepts are generally expressed more or less akwardly in verbal right after though.
I wonder if "concepts" is what I called "something" or is something else. _________________ I'm not a native english speaker, please correct me if I write like a robot or something, so I can improve.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:15 am Post subject:
Janissy wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Janissy wrote:
I've heard (read) some professional writers say that this is an occupational hazard for them, especially fiction writers. They have to be constantly in observant narrator mode to gather material for their novels. The writers who have talked about this (I think Stephen King was one) resign themselves to it. I'm not a writer but I could certainly relate to the experience when I read about that.
I think that's how mine got started. I read voraciously as a child and it made me look at the world from the perspective of a writer. When I was around 7-8 years old I started narrating everything that was happening as if I was going to write a book about it. Did you read a lot as a child?
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That makes so much sense! I read enormous amounts from the minute I learned to read (which my Mom says was not long after I learned to talk, although it was just simple nouns at that age). I still read lots. I tried writing but ironically was absolutely terrible at it. I should have become an editor, the perfect job for people who read voraciously but can't write. But that might have killed the fun. It makes sense that immersing yourself in narration will create the mental habit of narration.
I find this interesting, because I've been a voracious reader since before I can remember, and I don't have an inner narrative.
I don't "hear" written words as spoken words in my head, either. _________________ Music Theory 101: Cadences.
Authentic cadence: V-I
Plagal cadence: IV-I
Deceptive cadence: V- ANYTHING BUT I !!!!
Beethoven cadence: V-I-V-I-V-V-V-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I! I! I! I I I
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:02 am Post subject:
I am NT, and yes I think in this internal conversation, this is how I work things out, refine them, plan, but its not exactly verbal, but I guess close to it.
Sometimes I imagine an actual conversation using words with someone else to explain something, and then my thoughts are at their most clear and powerful.
But I pull up images still and moving where I need to, I am an engineer, I can't imagine how you could be an engineer or understand science without being able to think visually. I'm one of those people that can't remember a name but always remember faces.
It seems likely that the linked study is correct that using an inner voice could counter executive dysfunction. I think I use one when I'm trying complex tasks like cooking or cleaning. I'm interested in the misunderstandings that would arise if you were inner voicing the whole time.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:18 am Post subject:
Who_Am_I wrote:
I find this interesting, because I've been a voracious reader since before I can remember, and I don't have an inner narrative.
I don't "hear" written words as spoken words in my head, either.
+1
I was listening to a radio show on the nature of language once, and a woman was on who'd had a stroke.
She said the first inkling she had that something was wrong was that all her internal "chatter" went silent.
And I had no idea what she was talking about.
I'm still not sure entirely what it means, to have language in your head.
I don't get the notion of hearing or seeing absent of external stimuli.
Is the experience of an "internal narration" not one of "seeing" or "hearing"?
I think in concepts. _________________ "Such is the Frailty
of the human Heart, that very few Men, who have no Property, have any Judgment of their own.
They talk and vote as they are directed by Some Man of Property, who has attached their Minds
to his Interest."
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:57 am Post subject:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
I'm still not sure entirely what it means, to have language in your head.
I don't get the notion of hearing or seeing absent of external stimuli.
Is the experience of an "internal narration" not one of "seeing" or "hearing"?
I think in concepts.
Are you able to replay memories in your own mind that involve conversations? The inner voice is just like that, only it is your voice, rather than another persons. Of course it is not really "hearing" just like using your imagination to picture things is not really "seeing".
I think I understand what is meant by thinking in concepts, as most thoughts begin as concepts but my brain instinctively wants to turn them into sights and sounds. It would be impossible for me to turn these thoughts into actions or plan anything at all (such as this sentence) without playing it out in my head first.
This process can go awry though, as I often have difficulty saying exactly what I want, as their seems to be a disconnect between the concepts and verbalisation, such as words out of place, inappropriate words or forgetting words.
I'm still not sure entirely what it means, to have language in your head.
I don't get the notion of hearing or seeing absent of external stimuli.
Is the experience of an "internal narration" not one of "seeing" or "hearing"?
I think in concepts.
Are you able to replay memories in your own mind that involve conversations? The inner voice is just like that, only it is your voice, rather than another persons. Of course it is not really "hearing" just like using your imagination to picture things is not really "seeing".
I think I understand what is meant by thinking in concepts, as most thoughts begin as concepts but my brain instinctively wants to turn them into sights and sounds. It would be impossible for me to turn these thoughts into actions or plan anything at all (such as this sentence) without playing it out in my head first.
This process can go awry though, as I often have difficulty saying exactly what I want, as their seems to be a disconnect between the concepts and verbalisation, such as words out of place, inappropriate words or forgetting words.
My experience may help fracc, IDK. (White matter is corrupted in ADHD.)
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Are you able to replay memories in your own mind that involve conversations? The inner voice is just like that, only it is your voice, rather than another persons. Of course it is not really "hearing" just like using your imagination to picture things is not really "seeing".
I have an inner code that is not translated into "hearing" with the minds eye, or seeing with the figurative "eye." There is not a "rehearsing" to do something. It is ad lib, from subconscious to action in real time.
When I think, such a writing this sentence, an instinctive picture surfaced about the concept of fraac, as man with glasses, slightly long sandy blond hair, coupled with a feeling of isolation in his life, via an emotion.
When I type any replies, there is a feeling that is translated into text in real time. The "feeling" is a semi imagery language along with a little verbal narrative, all riding on an emotion, that moves directly into text. _________________
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:52 am Post subject:
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she said that she has this internal narration too. She says that she uses the voice to plan tasks, like when she is cooking, the voice says, "I am doing X, then I am going to do Y, then I am going to do Z".
This is what I do too. _________________ Real gender: Female
From: East UK
Age: 23
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:22 pm Post subject:
nemorosa wrote:
Are you able to replay memories in your own mind that involve conversations?
Yes, but I don't see or hear anything in my mind...I just remember the concepts-place, time, substance of conversation, etc.
nemorosa wrote:
I think I understand what is meant by thinking in concepts, as most thoughts begin as concepts but my brain instinctively wants to turn them into sights and sounds. It would be impossible for me to turn these thoughts into actions or plan anything at all (such as this sentence) without playing it out in my head first.
My thoughts are never translated into words unless I need to convey them to someone else. _________________ "Such is the Frailty
of the human Heart, that very few Men, who have no Property, have any Judgment of their own.
They talk and vote as they are directed by Some Man of Property, who has attached their Minds
to his Interest."
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
nemorosa wrote:
Are you able to replay memories in your own mind that involve conversations?
Yes, but I don't see or hear anything in my mind...I just remember the concepts-place, time, substance of conversation, etc.
nemorosa wrote:
I think I understand what is meant by thinking in concepts, as most thoughts begin as concepts but my brain instinctively wants to turn them into sights and sounds. It would be impossible for me to turn these thoughts into actions or plan anything at all (such as this sentence) without playing it out in my head first.
My thoughts are never translated into words unless I need to convey them to someone else.
For those who claim to think in concepts is there even a minor, subtle sensory feeling? _________________ Cinnamon and sugary
Softly Spoken lies
You never know just how you look
Through other people's eyes
