btbnnyr
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Is the voice of the internal narrative the same voice that speaks to a person negatively when a person has an anxiety disorder or maybe depression, like telling the person that she is worthless and unlovable, or like telling the person that a specific bad thing is going to happen if she does not perform an OCD ritual?
I have never really understood what people meant when they said that they had intrusive thoughts. Are the intrusive thoughts created by this internal narrative voice? It makes sense to me that they would be, but I am only guessing. I have never had the intrusive thoughts myself. Can someone enlighten me on this?
For me, anxiety takes the form of a physical sensation, like flutterings in my abdomen and faster heart rate, but maybe that is more like nervousness. I am not sure what feeling is anxiety, but I know for sure that none of the possible feelings associated with it come with verbal thoughts. Or any other thoughts either. They are just bunches of physical sensations. |
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| btbnnyr wrote: | Is the voice of the internal narrative the same voice that speaks to a person negatively when a person has an anxiety disorder or maybe depression, like telling the person that she is worthless and unlovable, or like telling the person that a specific bad thing is going to happen if she does not perform an OCD ritual?
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Yes, it's the same voice, it makes the symptoms worse because it increases the emotions and you don't know or forget how to shut it up and it is easy to get carried away by it.
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| Quote: | | I have never really understood what people meant when they said that they had intrusive thoughts. Are the intrusive thoughts created by this internal narrative voice? It makes sense to me that they would be, but I am only guessing. I have never had the intrusive thoughts myself. Can someone enlighten me on this? |
they are voiced by the internal voice - yes, they are most comparable to a knee jerk reaction, you know like when a doctor is testing your reflexes amd he/she bangs your knee and you legs jerks up? It's automatic and unavoidable.
For people with OCD and intrusive thoughts, their inner voice can be their worst enemy.
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As for how my inner voice sounds, it normally doesn't sound like much of anything, just a voice that definitely does not sound like my actual voice, but with a small amount of effort make it sound like absolutely anything, and sometimes it automatically sounds like some sound I'm hearing; the voice is in the sound.
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| btbnnyr wrote: | | For me, anxiety takes the form of a physical sensation, like flutterings in my abdomen and faster heart rate, but maybe that is more like nervousness. I am not sure what feeling is anxiety, but I know for sure that none of the possible feelings associated with it come with verbal thoughts. Or any other thoughts either. They are just bunches of physical sensations. |
This was my feeling too and then a therapist told me I had an "anxiety disorder". I had to look up in the internet, what it meant. Now I am sure about the feeling of anxiety, but there are so many "feelings" where I am just lost. It is like until the age of 34 (and now I am 37) I could not define a "feeling", but still I felt something without a name. By reading in the internet about "anxiety" I could relate to it. And I am still learning to give a name to this physical and mental sensations I am experiencing and therapy is helping me.
Edit: I have a psychologist specialized in autism. This is helping. Before I had a "normal" therapist, that was counter-productive, because the aim was "to fit into society".
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| btbnnyr wrote: | | For me, anxiety takes the form of a physical sensation, like flutterings in my abdomen and faster heart rate, but maybe that is more like nervousness. I am not sure what feeling is anxiety, but I know for sure that none of the possible feelings associated with it come with verbal thoughts. Or any other thoughts either. They are just bunches of physical sensations. |
I'm pretty sure that's how most people feel anxiety.
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| btbnnyr wrote: | Is the voice of the internal narrative the same voice that speaks to a person negatively when a person has an anxiety disorder or maybe depression, like telling the person that she is worthless and unlovable, or like telling the person that a specific bad thing is going to happen if she does not perform an OCD ritual?
I have never really understood what people meant when they said that they had intrusive thoughts. Are the intrusive thoughts created by this internal narrative voice? It makes sense to me that they would be, but I am only guessing. I have never had the intrusive thoughts myself. Can someone enlighten me on this?
For me, anxiety takes the form of a physical sensation, like flutterings in my abdomen and faster heart rate, but maybe that is more like nervousness. I am not sure what feeling is anxiety, but I know for sure that none of the possible feelings associated with it come with verbal thoughts. Or any other thoughts either. They are just bunches of physical sensations. |
I have intrusive anxiety-induced thoughts, but they're often images of how things can go wrong, or may have already gone wrong, that I can't seem to banish.
Mostly, anxiety is a physical sensation. What you wrote is how I described it to a psychologist last October. |
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| ediself wrote: | | Ganondox wrote: |
For those who claim to think in concepts is there even a minor, subtle sensory feeling? |
I want to know this too... my brain is starting to overheat here, trying to visualize what a "concept" is  |
I talking more like pure thoughts, abstract concepts. But right after it go through a verbal filter who try to translate it in words, so maybe it's only part of verbal thoughts overall.
@Ganondox: Surelly you're very strong in mathematics you must be familiar with what I call "conccepts thinking", this is the thing before you put it verbally when you think of highly abstract things, I think... Like you said it's not easy to describe way of thinkings, maybe I just put it because I've seen "vebal, spatial, concepts" somewhere before and I only interpret it through my experiences. |
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| Tollorin wrote: | | ediself wrote: | | Ganondox wrote: |
For those who claim to think in concepts is there even a minor, subtle sensory feeling? |
I want to know this too... my brain is starting to overheat here, trying to visualize what a "concept" is |
I talking more like pure thoughts, abstract concepts. But right after it go through a verbal filter who try to translate it in words, so maybe it's only part of verbal thoughts overall.
@Ganondox: Surelly you're very strong in mathematics you must be familiar with what I call "conccepts thinking", this is the thing before you put it verbally when you think of highly abstract things, I think... Like you said it's not easy to describe way of thinkings, maybe I just put it because I've seen "vebal, spatial, concepts" somewhere before and I only interpret it through my experiences. |
Once you linked it to math I sort of get what your saying, as I seem to spend quite a bit of time trying to verbalize mathematical concepts.
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A concept is exactly that.
Words and imagery are representations of concepts- very useful when communicating (if the concept is accurately reflective, and interpreted by both parties)
but why would my brain need to communicate with itself?
No, I don't experience any sort of sensory stimulation when thinking-
I see a therapist for several things, anxiety among them, and it's not a physical sensation.
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| ValentineWiggin wrote: | A concept is exactly that.
Words and imagery are representations of concepts- very useful when communicating (if the concept is accurately reflective, and interpreted by both parties)
but why would my brain need to communicate with itself?
No, I don't experience any sort of sensory stimulation when thinking-
I see a therapist for several things, anxiety among them, and it's not a physical sensation. |
A guess there is bit of need for me to communicate with myself because I'm trying to think of how to make these concepts sharable, and in order to elaborate on it to develop more of the theory.
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| ValentineWiggin wrote: |
I see a therapist for several things, anxiety among them, and it's not a physical sensation. |
You don't experience physical sensations with anxiety?
That's interesting. It's a very physical experience for me. |
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| For me, thinking in concepts is like I have packed raw data into boxes, and I play with the boxes instead of the raw data. Thinking in concepts is like the space saver, the vacuum that sucks the air out of bags in which you put your clothes to save space in the closet. There is an infomercial about one of these products that I enjoy watching on TV. By me, thinking in concepts is mostly used when I have understood something well, not when I am learning something unfamiliar. Also, whenever I want to add something new to my knowledge that I can think about in concepts, I open the box, unpack the raw data, put in the new data, rearrange the data, and once I have adjusted the concept, I am back to the box, the abstraction. Or I open the bag of clothes to put more in and rearranged them before I suck the air out again. I really like this infomercial. It is almost as good as the one with the water sprayer that you use to pressure remove dirt from surfaces. It is so satisfying to watch the water remove the dirt. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Is alexithymia caused by the lack of the internal narrative voice to put one's unworded thoughts and feelings into words? |
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| Verdandi wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
I see a therapist for several things, anxiety among them, and it's not a physical sensation. |
You don't experience physical sensations with anxiety?
That's interesting. It's a very physical experience for me. |
No, just intense, almost panic-like states about various things- war, the end of the world, that my boyfriend will leave me, that I'm going to die. Etc.
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