AstroGeek
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| NicoleG wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | Unfortunately there is a feeling in our society that girls should be pretty but not be intellectual. It seems like a lot of dumb and missing out guys aren't attracted to smart girls. There are some girls who deliberately dumb themselves down. So it follows that women do not usually go into science. I've heard female scientists say that because they dress nicely and care about their appearance, male scientists will sometimes assume that they are second-rate researchers. Our society needs to get over the whole beauty over intelligence thing and realize that brains are attractive. |
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Sorry, that was meant to be implied. |
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QuantumMichel
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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its mainly genes. Of course society does its part.
As aspies you should know that genes are very strong. Women and men are very different from the out side, same thing with the pluming. We are different, a whole X chromosome. |
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| QuantumMichel wrote: | its mainly genes. Of course society does its part.
As aspies you should know that genes are very strong. Women and men are very different from the out side, same thing with the pluming. We are different, a whole X chromosome. |
That's actually very difficult to say for certain. The way we are socialized has a very strong effect on what sort of people we become. I don't know if there's been a study that has tried to figure out which one is the case here. |
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QuantumMichel
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| AstroGeek wrote: | | QuantumMichel wrote: | its mainly genes. Of course society does its part.
As aspies you should know that genes are very strong. Women and men are very different from the out side, same thing with the pluming. We are different, a whole X chromosome. |
That's actually very difficult to say for certain. The way we are socialized has a very strong effect on what sort of people we become. I don't know if there's been a study that has tried to figure out which one is the case here. |
1.There where studies of twins that where separated at birth.
2.Where do you think aspines commes from? No, its not a disease. This is why we say neurodiversity. A lot of stuff are just programmed in our heads. Its really strange to hold that we are blank slates at birth, and that we are not deseased. I have my opinion for other reason too, but i'll keep this short. |
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Onyxaxe
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| NicoleG wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Oh, and girls should stop being afraid of mathematics - it's not all that hard. |
I'm a mathematician by nature. I really don't understand what other people find hard about it. That being said, I can't draw a tree or write a book to save my life. |
Thank you for putting that second part in there, I can recreate the Sistine Chapel but math feels like a clogged sink nowadays. I laugh about it but I kinda feel like I caught the stupids. At one point it was fun but once they started adding triangles my brain checked out lol. |
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Eingana
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| I am female and shock horror i'm an astro physics masters student, dunn dunn dunnn and shock horror even more, i know at least 8 other girls on my same course. Its about a 60:40 ratio of male to females so I do believe that the old fashioned thinking of females in science is changing. Infact my main astro lecturer is a female and this was the case at my old uni as well. Yay no need for bra burning in my uni. |
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Women and science |
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| iceveela wrote: | I wrote an article about this but it did not save and I lost it, so I am not writing another.
But what I want to know is: Do you think science is a "Man's field?"
I have been told that science is a "man's field", and that I am a female.
Yes, I am a female, but I like science and am going into a field of science.
what is your opinion on the whole "man's field" thing? |
Science is a field for a thinking person who has the logic and intuition to either make original contributions or to do useful applications. I do not see any gender-ness in this.
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Eingana wrote: | | I am female and shock horror i'm an astro physics masters student, dunn dunn dunnn and shock horror even more, i know at least 8 other girls on my same course. Its about a 60:40 ratio of male to females so I do believe that the old fashioned thinking of females in science is changing. Infact my main astro lecturer is a female and this was the case at my old uni as well. Yay no need for bra burning in my uni. |
That's good to hear! Strangely, the Intro to Astrophysics Class I'm taking is almost entirely male. Maybe things are better in Europe than in Canada? |
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Eingana wrote: | | I am female and shock horror i'm an astro physics masters student, dunn dunn dunnn and shock horror even more, i know at least 8 other girls on my same course. Its about a 60:40 ratio of male to females so I do believe that the old fashioned thinking of females in science is changing. Infact my main astro lecturer is a female and this was the case at my old uni as well. Yay no need for bra burning in my uni. |
Lisa Randall is a leading world class astrophysicist. Make her your hero.
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iceveela
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Eingana wrote: | | Yay no need for bra burning in my uni. |
Although sometimes I wish my bra can just burn... torture devices!
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monkeykoder
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I don't get the question... If you enjoy something pursue it who gives a flying excrement what others tell you you should do they can only see what you can do if you do it. I for one love math and while I am male it made for very boring/depressing lectures to note that there were very few women in my classes and I had no opportunities to discuss something I actually cared about with women as the few women in the math department were looking to go into teaching high school and had no real interest in mathematics (I DID try talking to them about it). So I say please for the sake of men like me everywhere we need more women in the sciences. And of course math and all other technical fields. I want a date and I do not have the capability of being interested in someone that has no passion for the sciences (philosophers might be an exception).
I apologize for my yelling but it is necessary in order to get my point across |
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NicoleG
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| monkeykoder wrote: | | I had no opportunities to discuss something I actually cared about with women as the few women in the math department were looking to go into teaching high school and had no real interest in mathematics |
Despite amazingly high marks in math in high school (I was doing calculus problems in my head), no one ever approached me to talk about applied mathematics, nor did it ever occur to me to ask. When it came time to pick a college major, I didn't want to pick math, because I thought the only thing you could do with a math degree was become a teacher. I tell a joke (which isn't actually a joke, because it is the truth) that before looking at the list of possible majors I decided ahead of time that I would pick something math-related, but not math, and the first thing on the list was accounting, so I picked it. I never looked past it on the list, nor did I ever talk with a guidance counselor or anyone else that should have steered me FAR FAR away from something as horribly boring and non-technical as accounting.
I enjoyed learning about how accounting systems worked (I always enjoy learning about systems, even accounting systems), but I didn't like any of my classmates and once I understood the processes for debit/credits, JEs, GLs, and cost accounting, I became horribly despondent. It took a few more years, but I finally made my way out of the accounting field and into technical grounds. Unfortunately, my work history and present job is still office/accounting based - it's like a black hole that I can't seem to escape. |
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monkeykoder
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| NicoleG wrote: | | Despite amazingly high marks in math in high school (I was doing calculus problems in my head), no one ever approached me to talk about applied mathematics, nor did it ever occur to me to ask. When it came time to pick a college major, I didn't want to pick math, because I thought the only thing you could do with a math degree was become a teacher. I tell a joke (which isn't actually a joke, because it is the truth) that before looking at the list of possible majors I decided ahead of time that I would pick something math-related, but not math, and the first thing on the list was accounting, so I picked it. I never looked past it on the list, nor did I ever talk with a guidance counselor or anyone else that should have steered me FAR FAR away from something as horribly boring and non-technical as accounting. |
My chosen major out of high school was Computer Science. After 3 years of incredibly boring classes in CS and incredibly interesting classes in Mathematics when it came time to transfer (I didn't talk to guidance counselors either) I transferred as a PURE Math major. The pure math major is actually what got me hired at my last two jobs in software development (which from the sounds of it you would LOVE) I get to have a degree that was amazing amounts of fun to attain and still work in the industry I desired. I get to study different systems all day long because that is what programming and computer science is all about. I would suggest to you to pick up a programming language or two (I can get by in 3-4 easily and could work in 5-6 more in debugging) then once you know whatever system you go on to another project because the computer does the rest of the work for you. |
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starkid
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| NicoleG wrote: |
I saw this line and the T^T made me instantly think of matrices. |
So much win here... |
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| starkid wrote: | | NicoleG wrote: |
I saw this line and the T^T made me instantly think of matrices. |
So much win here... |
Makes me think of how last night I was tempted to comment on someone's Facebook status with "Like^(8^T)" (that is, "Like to the power of infinity"), but I wasn't sure if anyone would get it. |
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