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| Xerillius wrote: | | Apple_in_my_Eye wrote: | | Xerillius wrote: | | I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF.. |
By that definition, eating lunch because you are hungry is "selfish." By that definition 99.9% of what people do is "selfish." It seems like a cheap word that people to throw around that doesn't actually mean anything. |
Anything you do for yourself is selfish.
selfˇish/ˈselfiSH/
Adjective:
(of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
Anything you do for others is selfless.. |
You just invalidated your own argument.
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Umm okay this thread caught my eye, I feel depressed right now I am 18 Have I thought about killing myself.... regretablly yes. HOWEVER I have had two friends kill themselves already. It isn't worth it. Plus you believe in an afterlife, you do realize that killing yourself in every religion is bad and you go to the unholy unhappy place making death far worse than your life was, plus your thirty dude chill you have more time, my cousin and brother are in their thirties they still haven't found their true love, hell it took my mom into her late 30s to find my dad. and NOTHING can help ease your family into you killing yourself your not like 89 with a terminal illness you are a 30 year old in Sweden. I have had SEVER bouts of depression and I am going through my worst right now I am an 18 year old who feels like I have no hope for the future and no hope in getting a job or anything. I feel like a burden on my family because I can't get a job I am out of high school and feel so needy that I feel guilty. I would never kill myself not only because of religious believes but i feel it would be selfish my family depends on me to help them out when they need it. Everyone has someone who cares about them judging by the posts on this there are many here who care about you. DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!
Also for those talking about selfishness vs selfless you are talking about LIFE IDC if you are a single bacholar with no family left killing yourself is SELFISH, stop thinking about the definition it should not apply when talking about life, Life is a gift even though we may not think it is. There are people who care I CARE I HAVE HAD 2 FRIENDS KILL THEMSELVES. I hate it I hate everything about it. It kills me to see people who feel so unloved and uncared about that they kill themselves. JUST PLS DON"T DO IT!!!!!!
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| Thebigrage wrote: | | Umm okay this thread caught my eye, I feel depressed right now I am 18 Have I thought about killing myself.... regretablly yes. HOWEVER I have had two friends kill themselves already. It isn't worth it. Plus you believe in an afterlife, you do realize that killing yourself in every religion is bad and you go to the unholy unhappy place making death far worse than your life was, plus your thirty dude chill you have more time, my cousin and brother are in their thirties they still haven't found their true love, hell it took my mom into her late 30s to find my dad. and NOTHING can help ease your family into you killing yourself your not like 89 with a terminal illness you are a 30 year old in Sweden. I have had SEVER bouts of depression and I am going through my worst right now I am an 18 year old who feels like I have no hope for the future and no hope in getting a job or anything. I feel like a burden on my family because I can't get a job I am out of high school and feel so needy that I feel guilty. I would never kill myself not only because of religious believes but i feel it would be selfish my family depends on me to help them out when they need it. Everyone has someone who cares about them judging by the posts on this there are many here who care about you. DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!! |
If that's what helps......I find fear of eternal punishment to be quite useless when trying to think of reasons why I shouldn't resort to suicide. But I am glad just the same you wouldn't resort to suicide and have found what works for you.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Thebigrage wrote: | | Also for those talking about selfishness vs selfless you are talking about LIFE IDC if you are a single bacholar with no family left killing yourself is SELFISH, stop thinking about the definition it should not apply when talking about life, Life is a gift even though we may not think it is. There are people who care I CARE I HAVE HAD 2 FRIENDS KILL THEMSELVES. I hate it I hate everything about it. It kills me to see people who feel so unloved and uncared about that they kill themselves. JUST PLS DON"T DO IT!!!!!! |
see, what you are doing here is an emotional appeal, which may help the OP. but for some suicidal people, what helps instead is a logical argument. the reasons for suicide are varied, and what can help people is also quite varied.
my mother committed suicide in december of 2010, so i also intimately understand the effects of suicide. she attempted suicide at least a dozen times before that so i also know that different approaches helped her at different times.
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Thebigrage
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| I don't find Suicide Logical at all so idk how to think about it logically it isn't logical it defies logic, due to the fact that logically people strive to work tward survival and not self destruction, Suicide is an emotional experience for everyone. Logic has nothing to do with it. |
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| Thebigrage wrote: | | I don't find Suicide Logical at all so idk how to think about it logically it isn't logical it defies logic, due to the fact that logically people strive to work tward survival and not self destruction, Suicide is an emotional experience for everyone. Logic has nothing to do with it. |
just because you don't see it that way doesn't mean other people don't. many many people have reached the logical conclusion that suicide is the best possible option for everyone involved.
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| Sorry btw if I seem very agitated or hostile I don't mean to be I am currently under Emotion Overload and Trying to settle down. I respect your opinion however I can't say that I see your point not because of narrow mindedness just because my brain cannot process suicide. I just really hope that he changes his mind. |
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| Thebigrage wrote: | | I don't find Suicide Logical at all so idk how to think about it logically it isn't logical it defies logic, due to the fact that logically people strive to work tward survival and not self destruction, Suicide is an emotional experience for everyone. Logic has nothing to do with it. |
There are times when it's very logical. An instance of that would be if someone had a terminal disease and they were in such severe physical pain that no safe amount of morphine/painkiller would even begin to help and there is no treatment available to stop or lessen the pain, then suicide would be logical, rather than living another few days/weeks/months in severe and constant pain. In that instance, it's very logical. However I do think it would be illogical if the person didn't try all available methods to control the pain before they decided on suicide.
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My grandfather suffers emmence back pain and can barely walk but he insists on fighting till he can't walk on his own free will. He is in his late 80s. It isn't terminal no but it is painful.
Edit: but I did say that if he was in his 80s and terminal it would be more understandable. |
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| Thebigrage wrote: | My grandfather suffers emmence back pain and can barely walk but he insists on fighting till he can't walk on his own free will. He is in his late 80s. It isn't terminal no but it is painful.
Edit: but I did say that if he was in his 80s and terminal it would be more understandable. |
I'm assuming you mean something like osteoperosis or arthritis or some such problem where it's not a constant agonizing pain, and can be somewhat relieved by being in one position and not moving, or by medication. I am talking about constant agonizing unrelenting pain that is more than the person has ever felt. I do not mean severe pain when walking or moving, or constant mild to moderate pain. If he is still able to walk, I'd imagine that he's not in severe constant agonizing pain, although it may hurt very badly.
I'm talking about a situation where someone is in constant unbearable pain where no treatment even lessens it to a bearable level. Pain that has no chance of going away, only getting worse with time.
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| OliveOilMom wrote: | | Thebigrage wrote: | My grandfather suffers emmence back pain and can barely walk but he insists on fighting till he can't walk on his own free will. He is in his late 80s. It isn't terminal no but it is painful.
Edit: but I did say that if he was in his 80s and terminal it would be more understandable. |
I'm assuming you mean something like osteoperosis or arthritis or some such problem where it's not a constant agonizing pain, and can be somewhat relieved by being in one position and not moving, or by medication. I am talking about constant agonizing unrelenting pain that is more than the person has ever felt. I do not mean severe pain when walking or moving, or constant mild to moderate pain. If he is still able to walk, I'd imagine that he's not in severe constant agonizing pain, although it may hurt very badly.
I'm talking about a situation where someone is in constant unbearable pain where no treatment even lessens it to a bearable level. Pain that has no chance of going away, only getting worse with time. |
yeah, i understand that. i get almost-daily migraines, and have had migraines that lasted for days at a time. more than once i wanted to die to stop the agony. nothing emotional about that, i just didn't know how else to kill the pain.
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^^ I feel you about the migraines! I get them too sometimes and I know exactly what you mean. I have them a lot worse now that I'm in perimenopause though. So that's always something to look forward too, huh? 
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Pain is horrible when you fear it. But pain is just an information. If you know that you're pain doesn't mean any danger, you need not fear it. And if you do not fear your pain, it is ok. Of course it is not confortable, better not to have pain, but still it is ok.
So pain in itself is not a reason for suicide. So just relax ! |
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| circular wrote: | Pain is horrible when you fear it. But pain is just an information. If you know that you're pain doesn't mean any danger, you need not fear it. And if you do not fear your pain, it is ok. Of course it is not confortable, better not to have pain, but still it is ok.
So pain in itself is not a reason for suicide. So just relax ! |
i guess you haven't had severe intractable pain. relief from the pain becomes the primary goal above all else.
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| Thebigrage wrote: | | I don't find Suicide Logical at all so idk how to think about it logically it isn't logical it defies logic, due to the fact that logically people strive to work tward survival and not self destruction, Suicide is an emotional experience for everyone. Logic has nothing to do with it. |
Logic has everything to do with it. Suicide is a permanent solution to a problem. The problem may be temporary or permanent.
For example, if you know that you have health problems that are unrepairable (diabetic complications, glaucoma, kidney problems, etc...) or extremely painful (chronic arthritis, gout, migraines, etc...) and make your life not worth living in your opinion, logically suicide makes sense if you don't want to continue. You aren't going to get better although life may suck less in the future due to medical advances. It makes even more sense if you don't have any dependents.
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